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And y'all wonder why Americans are hated. It takes a special amount of delusion to pat yourself on the back, for whatever made-up reason, after having killed in

And y'all wonder why Americans are hated. It takes a special amount of delusion to pat yourself on the back, for whatever made-up reason, after having killed innocent people. Imagine saying the same thing about 9/11 and watch your life be torn to pieces.

gotoeleven 5y ago
In the real world military actions often have unintended civilian casualties. The difference is that some groups don't care (china, russia) or are doing them purposefully (terrorists). If you can't understand the moral distinction then I don't think you're going to be able to add anything but noise to these kinds of debates.
- kataklasm 5y ago
  I know I'm breaking HN rules here, but have you read the article? It literally is about the US Military not investigating its own war crimes.
- jessaustin 5y ago
  The only intention of our many stupid wars is to further enrich armaments manufactures. It has nothing to do with security; Americans are vulnerable mostly to violence from ourselves. Killing civilians enriches armaments manufacturers just fine, and it plants the seeds for future wars, so it certainly is intended. Probably not by the rank and file (cf. Daniel Hale), but certainly by everyone in the Pentagon. Claiming otherwise is the best example of "noise".
- toiletfuneral 5y ago
  Perptually committing events like My Lai & Abu Gharib show how much we 'care' You should read this. https://theintercept.com/2017/01/10/the-crimes-of-seal-team-6/ https://theintercept.com/2017/01/10/the-crimes-of-seal-team-...
oh_sigh 5y ago
Americans are hated? I think you hang out in a fairly small social circle if that is the norm. Or are you just one of those self-hating Americans who thinks everyone else is just like you? Guessing that's the case from the use of "y'all"
- pkphilip 5y ago
  You should travel more and ask people outside the US what they actually think about US military policy. Note, some people do distinguish between what the US establishment does and what ordinary American civilians do but that is not always the case.
  - holoduke 5y ago
    Ordinary Americans are quite nationalistic and rarely leave their country. World knowledge is very poor amongst the mid and low class American citizens.
    - dang 5y ago
      Please keep nationalistic provocations off this site. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - throwaway6734 5y ago
    The US military has made plenty of mistakes but it is easily the fighting force that has done the most to ensure the rise in standard of living across the globe via protection of shipping lanes and maintaining global order
  - oh_sigh 5y ago
    On multiple occasions in my life I've needed to order extra pages for my passport because it was full of stamps. I've been to every continent except for Antarctica and 50 plus countries and have literally never had a negative interaction because of my nationality. Maybe you need to travel more? You hear "Americans are hated" by.... Americans mostly. And, I would guess, Americans of a certain political bent that say it more as a badge of their identity rather than it being an honest belief in the truth(literally "America's #1!!!", but for liberals). It's a grade school level understanding of the world(as is "America #1") and I find it a fair indicator of stereotype-oriented thought patterns when I hear it.
dang 5y ago
Nationalistic flamewar will get you banned here, regardless of which nation you have a problem with. Please don't post like this to HN—it creates hellish threads that destroy what this site is supposed to be for. I realize that the GP comment was a provocation, but outright flamewar is exactly the wrong way to respond to that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you have a long history of posting like this. We've already warned you more than once: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25513278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25513278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11858996 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11858996 - and you've continued repeatedly to do it, including recently. If you keep this up, we will have to ban you. I don't want to ban you, so please stop abusing HN in this way.

gotoeleven 5y ago

In the real world military actions often have unintended civilian casualties. The difference is that some groups don't care (china, russia) or are doing them purposefully (terrorists). If you can't understand the moral distinction then I don't think you're going to be able to add anything but noise to these kinds of debates.

kataklasm 5y ago
I know I'm breaking HN rules here, but have you read the article? It literally is about the US Military not investigating its own war crimes.
jessaustin 5y ago
The only intention of our many stupid wars is to further enrich armaments manufactures. It has nothing to do with security; Americans are vulnerable mostly to violence from ourselves. Killing civilians enriches armaments manufacturers just fine, and it plants the seeds for future wars, so it certainly is intended. Probably not by the rank and file (cf. Daniel Hale), but certainly by everyone in the Pentagon. Claiming otherwise is the best example of "noise".
toiletfuneral 5y ago
Perptually committing events like My Lai & Abu Gharib show how much we 'care' You should read this. https://theintercept.com/2017/01/10/the-crimes-of-seal-team-6/ https://theintercept.com/2017/01/10/the-crimes-of-seal-team-...

oh_sigh 5y ago

Americans are hated? I think you hang out in a fairly small social circle if that is the norm. Or are you just one of those self-hating Americans who thinks everyone else is just like you? Guessing that's the case from the use of "y'all"

pkphilip 5y ago
You should travel more and ask people outside the US what they actually think about US military policy. Note, some people do distinguish between what the US establishment does and what ordinary American civilians do but that is not always the case.
- holoduke 5y ago
  Ordinary Americans are quite nationalistic and rarely leave their country. World knowledge is very poor amongst the mid and low class American citizens.
  - dang 5y ago
    Please keep nationalistic provocations off this site. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- throwaway6734 5y ago
  The US military has made plenty of mistakes but it is easily the fighting force that has done the most to ensure the rise in standard of living across the globe via protection of shipping lanes and maintaining global order
- oh_sigh 5y ago
  On multiple occasions in my life I've needed to order extra pages for my passport because it was full of stamps. I've been to every continent except for Antarctica and 50 plus countries and have literally never had a negative interaction because of my nationality. Maybe you need to travel more? You hear "Americans are hated" by.... Americans mostly. And, I would guess, Americans of a certain political bent that say it more as a badge of their identity rather than it being an honest belief in the truth(literally "America's #1!!!", but for liberals). It's a grade school level understanding of the world(as is "America #1") and I find it a fair indicator of stereotype-oriented thought patterns when I hear it.

dang 5y ago

Nationalistic flamewar will get you banned here, regardless of which nation you have a problem with. Please don't post like this to HN—it creates hellish threads that destroy what this site is supposed to be for. I realize that the GP comment was a provocation, but outright flamewar is exactly the wrong way to respond to that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you have a long history of posting like this. We've already warned you more than once: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25513278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25513278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11858996 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11858996 - and you've continued repeatedly to do it, including recently. If you keep this up, we will have to ban you. I don't want to ban you, so please stop abusing HN in this way.