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Lovely corporate ethics. I posted this in our company slack room as an example of how not to act for bizdev Google benefits too much from this sort of arrangem
by sam0x17 5y ago
Lovely corporate ethics. I posted this in our company slack room as an example of how not to act for bizdev
Google benefits too much from this sort of arrangement to have any incentive to stop it, even though these are unauthorized advertisements that are specifically against Google's AdWords TOS (side note, I wonder if there is a legal avenue to follow when a vendor doesn't follow their own TOS? An interesting thought...).
This is also a recurring issue with all of Google's advertising revenue -- malicious behavior such as fraudulent clicks, unauthorized ads, etc., are a decent portion of the revenue stream, and Google is financially incentivized to keep these sorts of abuse going until the ruse is up and the accuracy of their system is called into question publicly in a way that scares away advertisers, but with NDAs and corporate secrecy, it is far too easy to keep things unbalanced, and keep abuse like this in the dark.
Business models like this demonstrate just how dire the need for regulation is in some areas of the tech world, particularly among FANG.
- threeseed 5y agoa) It is not against AdWords TOS provided you have permission to use their trademarked terms. Which Apple has since in the Developer agreement [1] they have been assigned permissions to use logos, trademarked terms etc in marketing material. b) Google is incentivised to tackle abuse within their system. It's ridiculous and baseless to say otherwise. Lack of integrity in an ad marketplace very easily can translate to lost dollars. But unfortunately with spoofing being trivial it's simply hard to detect and manage abuse. c) There is no regulation that will prevent this. App developers have signed a legally binding contract. [1] https://developer.apple.com/support/downloads/terms/apple-developer-program/Apple-Developer-Program-License-Agreement-20210607-English.pdf https://developer.apple.com/support/downloads/terms/apple-de...
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- gpm 5y agoa, b) yes c) regulations and laws trump contracts, not the other way around.
- kingcharles 5y agoNot necessarily. You can waive your legal rights. e.g. agreeing to talk to the police waives your 5th Amendment right against self-incrimination.
- ericmay 5y agoNot quite. There is some gray here. You can’t sell yourself into slavery or sign away your freedom of religion or speech.
- andrekandre 5y ago> You can’t sell yourself into slavery or sign away your freedom of religion or speech. is this because of court rulings or explicit in law?
- kayodelycaon 5y agoThe 13th amendment in the US makes slavery illegal except as punishment for a crime. 1st amendment rights have been asserted in case law.
- andrekandre 5y agoi wonder if it would be worth it to have an amendment that said "no constitutional right can be abridged whether by coercion or by choice" it sounds almost whimsical: you have all the freedoms except the freedom to give up your freedoms
- gzer0 5y agoTerms and conditions do not supersede the law of the courts.
- noobquestion81 5y agoI think it would be completely crazy if apple did this without entering into a special contract with google. Theres no way some sales engineer just signed up for a google ads account one day
- threeseed 5y agoI have no idea why you think this is crazy. a) Apple will be a big customer for Google but nothing compared to companies like P&G who manage hundreds of products or those who have more competitive search terms. And in this particular case it's neither. b) Apple has a dedicated App Store Marketing team who likely signed up or maybe they used their main account. Either way it's pretty simple and you don't need to ask Google's permission.
- noobquestion81 5y agoFair points, ty for the rebuttal
- wussboy 5y agoPerhaps spoofing shouldn’t be trivial? And perhaps they don’t fix that problem for the same reason telcos don’t fix their caller ID spoofing problem?
- johncena33 5y agoI don't think your message will register here. The OG commenter spent the whole comment bashing Google, and the comment doesn't even mention Apple. That should tell you something. If Google stops Apple from doing so as the OG commenter wants them to, there'd be dozens of hot takes how Google is abusing its platform to prevent Apple from advertising. And the same group of people would be outraged at Google again.
- ladyanita22 5y agoThere's 4 times "Google" in your comment, but 0 "Apple".