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Well no one cares about spread to vaccinated people. No one truly cares about spread except as it affects the health care system. If everyone was vaccinated,

Well no one cares about spread to vaccinated people. No one truly cares about spread except as it affects the health care system. If everyone was vaccinated, all cases would be mild and life could go on as normal. But unvaccinated people are filling hospitals causing disruption to the healthcare system and that effect snowballs.

MonkeyClub 5y ago
Then covid medicine would certainly be a more liberal way to go towards; have a remedy available if need be, without being pushed to require vaccines from citizens.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  And that'll be great when it's widely available.
drukenemo 5y ago
How do you know that? If you are reading that from MS news, and if you are just repeating a statement without actual numbers, you are spreading propaganda of those who are interested in promoting the vaccines (aka Big Pharma and the sponsored media). As shown in this thread , IC hospital occupancy was low in France, and I know it was the same in the Netherlands. The current occupancy numbers of vaccinated vs unvaccinated are conveniently undisclosed by the Dutch government.
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  Dunno, recent stats from my country (Canada) shows that during our last wave, about 90% of our hospital occupancy was unvaccinated people despite them being about 20% of the population.
  - angelzen 5y ago
    Perhaps you mean "90% of covid hospitalizations", which is different than "90% of hospitalizations". I've been checking the jhu pages for various US states, never seen covid hospitalization rates above 10-20% and covid ICU utilization rate above 30%. Right now, using the Rt map from https://covidestim.org https://covidestim.org, looks like Indiana & Ohio are in the middle of a wave. Covid hospital bed utilization: IN 10%, OH 15%. Covid ICU utilization: IN 20%, OH 20%. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/indiana https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/indiana https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/ohio https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/ohio
    - Mikeb85 5y ago
      Yes, 90% of Covid hospitalizations. According to the stats, Covid isn't dangerous at all to the vaccinated if you're < 80 yrs old.

MonkeyClub 5y ago

Then covid medicine would certainly be a more liberal way to go towards; have a remedy available if need be, without being pushed to require vaccines from citizens.

Mikeb85 5y ago
And that'll be great when it's widely available.

drukenemo 5y ago

How do you know that? If you are reading that from MS news, and if you are just repeating a statement without actual numbers, you are spreading propaganda of those who are interested in promoting the vaccines (aka Big Pharma and the sponsored media). As shown in this thread , IC hospital occupancy was low in France, and I know it was the same in the Netherlands. The current occupancy numbers of vaccinated vs unvaccinated are conveniently undisclosed by the Dutch government.

Mikeb85 5y ago
Dunno, recent stats from my country (Canada) shows that during our last wave, about 90% of our hospital occupancy was unvaccinated people despite them being about 20% of the population.
- angelzen 5y ago
  Perhaps you mean "90% of covid hospitalizations", which is different than "90% of hospitalizations". I've been checking the jhu pages for various US states, never seen covid hospitalization rates above 10-20% and covid ICU utilization rate above 30%. Right now, using the Rt map from https://covidestim.org https://covidestim.org, looks like Indiana & Ohio are in the middle of a wave. Covid hospital bed utilization: IN 10%, OH 15%. Covid ICU utilization: IN 20%, OH 20%. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/indiana https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/indiana https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/ohio https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/ohio
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    Yes, 90% of Covid hospitalizations. According to the stats, Covid isn't dangerous at all to the vaccinated if you're < 80 yrs old.