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I assume they genuinely struggle with recruiting. Getting cold recruiting mails from FB lately despite being on the wrong continent. They must be scraping the b
by varjag 5y ago
I assume they genuinely struggle with recruiting. Getting cold recruiting mails from FB lately despite being on the wrong continent. They must be scraping the bottom.
- paganel 5y ago> on the wrong continent. Afiak they're about to open (extend?) a new office in London, not sure if that's related or not. When one of my friends told me that (he works for a FAANG company) I had a similar reaction to yours: "Where are they going to get the people for that in this market?"
- 0x0nyandesu 5y agoThe biggest thing turning me off when they email is that to work for Facebook you MUST have a Facebook account. I deleted mine years ago.
- new_guy 5y agoDogfooding the product you're working on isn't that unusual even if it is FB. It dramatically improves quality when you're 'forced' to use the same product you're developing.
- billylindeman 5y agoLOL if you can't get your own employees to want to you use your product you might have a problem .
- jakear 5y agoIn general, yes absolutely. It becomes more questionable when that product is on the backend of hundreds of thousands of engineer-hours dedicated to optimizing engagement. Bit like saying "sorry bud, we don't want your chemical engineering talent in our meth shop unless you are a meth addict, surely you understand self-hosting enables us to make a superior product"
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y agoMaybe you just shouldn't work in meth shops at all.
- david38 5y agoWhy? Nothing is stopping you from having a name_job account. Never add any friends other than coworkers, only use a specific browser, etc.
- erehweb 5y agoBeing willing to use your employer's product is a really low bar in compatibility.
- 0x0nyandesu 5y agoThere's no reason for it if I'm doing back end DevOps. I don't want to work on "the product".
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- lupire 5y agoFacebook uses Facebook for internal comms as an alternative to GMail/Office. Would you use that if you worked there?
- 0x0nyandesu 5y agoYes I know. That's part of the problem. I don't want to be in that eco system. Even just to apply for a job at Facebook they expect you to already have a Facebook account. The arrogance of the whole thing is just problematic.
- ghaff 5y agoWhile there are lots of reasons to not want to use Facebook, it's also pretty reasonable that refusing to use a potential employer's product would be pretty much a non-starter when it comes to employment.
- msandford 5y agoDo you think that Ford only hires people that have only bought Ford all their lives? They check your car on the way to the interview and if it's not Ford you're automatically DQ'd? How would that work being a new hire at Tesla considering that they probably pay a lot of folks less than is required to own one? Cars, appliances, housing, fuel & energy, food, etc. Huge, huge swaths of the economy don't require brand loyalty because it's not reasonable to expect.
- kwertyoowiyop 5y agoThey finally called me. So yep, bottom of the barrel.
- qcoh 5y agoSame here. The universe tipped back into balance when they didn't bother to reply after me asking about the role. :)
- skinkestek 5y agoI've been contacted by a FAANG (or is it MANGA?) company too recently, one of the traditionally better ones. Earlier I'd fallen ober myself for that but I ended up not following through. I love my current. I'm hesitant to work in a place where I can get thrown under the bus for being a man. I'm not sure I want to contribute to the surveillance economy etc. Maybe another day I'll answer yes, but...
- pedrosorio 5y ago> I'm hesitant to work in a place where I can get thrown under the bus for being a man This is not a thing.
- skinkestek 5y agook, good to know. But it still doesn't feel safe.
- epicureanideal 5y agoThere are varying degrees of discrimination across the tech industry, based on your skin color, gender, and political views. Some are relatively mild, others will literally put resumes from the wrong group of people in the recycle bin. And the wrong groups are not the historically under represented ones.
- pedrosorio 5y agoDo you have a specific outcome you are afraid of? It's not clear what you think "getting thrown under the bus" would entail. Are you worried your ability to be employed working on tech would be put at risk as a man working in FAANG? What would that look like?
- MertsA 5y ago> despite being on the wrong continent. Unless that continent is Antarctica I don't see the problem here.
- redisman 5y agoEveryone is. Amazon was hitting me up constantly in SEA and I’d imagine every other Engineer here too
- cebert 5y agoEven though a lot of FAANG (or MANGA) companies are in need of tech talent, good luck getting in unless you have some serious time to allocate to studying Leetcode problems. While this time investment will help you get in the door to such places, it's unlikely to make you a better programmer or help you at all in your current role.
- romanhn 5y agoIt's funny, coming to Facebook from startups I thought I'd no longer deal with recruiting pipeline challenges. It surprised the hell out of me to see how much FB struggled with hiring senior engineers. The stupid hard interviews did a fantastic job of keeping experienced folks away, so the offices felt like college grounds (I don't mean to say this was done intentionally, they really did want tons of senior talent, but the interview process didn't help).
- zrail 5y agoPersonally, as a senior engineer with a decade and a half of experience I dropped out of the Facebook process once I learned how it worked. I have much better things to do than stress about optimally solving two LC mediums in 40 minutes without being able to compile the code.
- tonyedgecombe 5y ago>I don't mean to say this was done intentionally I'm not so sure about that. Zuckerberg is on record saying old people just aren't as smart.