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I just ran this on a Fedora machine and connected to Windows using rdesktop. It works and it's amazing. I like it. The Internet will surely be confused today wi

by argsv 5y ago

I just ran this on a Fedora machine and connected to Windows using rdesktop. It works and it's amazing. I like it. The Internet will surely be confused today with a surge of traffic from Internet Explorer 5. Incidentally, google.com still loads and allows searching; bing.com does not load.

voakbasda 5y ago
The fact that bing.com does not load using their own browser speaks volumes about Microsoft.
- schwartzworld 5y ago
  Using their own outdated, unsupported browser? Why should they develop websites against a 22 year old browser version?
  - heyoni 5y ago
    On the one hand, it’s a sign of technical prowess to be able to accommodate browsers going that far back. On the other, it’s kind of embarrassing not to have a barebones version of your website load in case an old browser is detected. IE5 had Ajax after all, what more does a search box really need? The answer? Endless tracking and cookies and phoning home. God forbid someone uses a browser we can’t use to collect infinite metrics. Makes me wonder, does bing work with lynx?
    - rbanffy 5y ago
      Lynx is not outdated. It’s actively maintained and updated. Last release is a couple months old.
      - charcircuit 5y ago
        Lynx doesn't support JavaScript like every other modern browser. It is outdated.
        tata71 5y ago
        In tech, we call this "opinionated".
  - tinus_hn 5y ago
    I realize that it probably doesn’t pay, but it wouldn’t be that difficult to implement just a form to type queries and a basic html result page that works without javascript.
    - calvinmorrison 5y ago
      Welcome to my Friday nightmare. Some update broke dropdowns on IE9 because, apparently plain form select HTML is no longer a viable thing because we can't beautify it. Why my erp to UPS connector needed beautification I don't know. I call, they know, everybody using IE (as required by this connector) is down. Great. Patch rolls in the morning and suddenly looks like chrome is supported. Sigh
    - rbanffy 5y ago
      It certainly wouldn’t. Forms have been with us for a very long time and I’ve done it more times than I can remember.
- VWWHFSfQ 5y ago
  What volumes does it speak about microsoft?
  - qbasic_forever 5y ago
    I think it's ironic. Microsoft since the dawn of time has been known for backwards compatibility in Windows. They would go out of their way to ensure random 16 bit apps with bugs and major issues continued to work through years of major upgrades to Windows. Raymond Chen has written countless stories of the hacks upon hacks they had to keep running through the years: http://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/9780321440303/samplechapter/Chen_bonus_ch01.pdf http://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/9780321440303/samplech... So now to see it all abandoned as Microsoft is pulled into the age of web applications is kind of amusing.
    - djbusby 5y ago
      And just recently on here I was talking about how MS is known for backwards compat but we actually observe Linux doing it better
      - rbanffy 5y ago
        While breaking backwards compatibility with user space apps is frowned upon, I can’t imagine Linus approving adding old bugs so that buggy programs can still work.
- bdcravens 5y ago
  Yes, it says that they are moving forward and not targeting browsers that are EOL.
coderdecoder 5y ago
Nice trip down the memory lane :D. Works great on POP_OS (didn't uninstall my desktop).
- skerit 5y ago
  Yes, do as I say!
xxpor 5y ago
What're the most recent tls features IE5 supports? Does it even work with non-sha1 certs?
- iforgotpassword 5y ago
  Google looks at your user agent and doesn't redirect to https if it's an old browser.
  - speedgoose 5y ago
    Isn't this a security vulnerability?
    - Narretz 5y ago
      For who? For Google? Or for the client? The server's security shouldn't be dependent on https
      - speedgoose 5y ago
        Both. If you can stop a https redirect by rewriting the user agent header, it can be used to track the Google searches for example. HSTS would help if the browser did connect to the https website recently, but it looks like a security vulnerability to me. I just realized after writing this comment that if you can rewrite http headers, you can also stop the redirect so perhaps it doesn't matter.
    - duskwuff 5y ago
      In modern browsers, google.com is in the HSTS preload list, so the browser won't even make an initial request over HTTP.
      - ehPReth 5y ago
        Only www.google.com and other subdomains are preloaded unfortunately.. I’m having trouble quickly googling the reason (is that irony?) but from memory a Googler said that they had a lot of internal stuff hosted above google.com they couldn’t make https (HVAC controllers and such?) You can see the full HSTS list here I believe: https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/master:net/http/transport_security_state_static.json https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/master:n...
forgotmypw17 5y ago
google is, ironically, one of the few remaining "major" sites which support http. i'm a bit of a browser historian, so i regularly browse the web in everything from mosaic, to ie3 and netscape, firefox 3.x, and all the modern-day favorites such as links and w3m. so i started building my own websites with all the oldies in mind. it takes some tweaking, but not that much, and i enjoy strolling^Wsurfing down memory lane, looking at that gorgeous ie3 menubar, which was replaced with a flat gray in ie4, or writing something in opera 12.x.
gattilorenz 5y ago
With the Web Rendering Proxy (https://github.com/tenox7/wrp https://github.com/tenox7/wrp) you can also visit bing.com :)

by argsv 5y ago

voakbasda 5y ago

The fact that bing.com does not load using their own browser speaks volumes about Microsoft.

schwartzworld 5y ago
Using their own outdated, unsupported browser? Why should they develop websites against a 22 year old browser version?
- heyoni 5y ago
  On the one hand, it’s a sign of technical prowess to be able to accommodate browsers going that far back. On the other, it’s kind of embarrassing not to have a barebones version of your website load in case an old browser is detected. IE5 had Ajax after all, what more does a search box really need? The answer? Endless tracking and cookies and phoning home. God forbid someone uses a browser we can’t use to collect infinite metrics. Makes me wonder, does bing work with lynx?
  - rbanffy 5y ago
    Lynx is not outdated. It’s actively maintained and updated. Last release is a couple months old.
    - charcircuit 5y ago
      Lynx doesn't support JavaScript like every other modern browser. It is outdated.
      - tata71 5y ago
        In tech, we call this "opinionated".
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  I realize that it probably doesn’t pay, but it wouldn’t be that difficult to implement just a form to type queries and a basic html result page that works without javascript.
  - calvinmorrison 5y ago
    Welcome to my Friday nightmare. Some update broke dropdowns on IE9 because, apparently plain form select HTML is no longer a viable thing because we can't beautify it. Why my erp to UPS connector needed beautification I don't know. I call, they know, everybody using IE (as required by this connector) is down. Great. Patch rolls in the morning and suddenly looks like chrome is supported. Sigh
  - rbanffy 5y ago
    It certainly wouldn’t. Forms have been with us for a very long time and I’ve done it more times than I can remember.
VWWHFSfQ 5y ago
What volumes does it speak about microsoft?
- qbasic_forever 5y ago
  I think it's ironic. Microsoft since the dawn of time has been known for backwards compatibility in Windows. They would go out of their way to ensure random 16 bit apps with bugs and major issues continued to work through years of major upgrades to Windows. Raymond Chen has written countless stories of the hacks upon hacks they had to keep running through the years: http://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/9780321440303/samplechapter/Chen_bonus_ch01.pdf http://ptgmedia.pearsoncmg.com/images/9780321440303/samplech... So now to see it all abandoned as Microsoft is pulled into the age of web applications is kind of amusing.
  - djbusby 5y ago
    And just recently on here I was talking about how MS is known for backwards compat but we actually observe Linux doing it better
    - rbanffy 5y ago
      While breaking backwards compatibility with user space apps is frowned upon, I can’t imagine Linus approving adding old bugs so that buggy programs can still work.
bdcravens 5y ago
Yes, it says that they are moving forward and not targeting browsers that are EOL.

coderdecoder 5y ago

Nice trip down the memory lane :D. Works great on POP_OS (didn't uninstall my desktop).

skerit 5y ago
Yes, do as I say!

xxpor 5y ago

What're the most recent tls features IE5 supports? Does it even work with non-sha1 certs?

iforgotpassword 5y ago
Google looks at your user agent and doesn't redirect to https if it's an old browser.
- speedgoose 5y ago
  Isn't this a security vulnerability?
  - Narretz 5y ago
    For who? For Google? Or for the client? The server's security shouldn't be dependent on https
    - speedgoose 5y ago
      Both. If you can stop a https redirect by rewriting the user agent header, it can be used to track the Google searches for example. HSTS would help if the browser did connect to the https website recently, but it looks like a security vulnerability to me. I just realized after writing this comment that if you can rewrite http headers, you can also stop the redirect so perhaps it doesn't matter.
  - duskwuff 5y ago
    In modern browsers, google.com is in the HSTS preload list, so the browser won't even make an initial request over HTTP.
    - ehPReth 5y ago
      Only www.google.com and other subdomains are preloaded unfortunately.. I’m having trouble quickly googling the reason (is that irony?) but from memory a Googler said that they had a lot of internal stuff hosted above google.com they couldn’t make https (HVAC controllers and such?) You can see the full HSTS list here I believe: https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/master:net/http/transport_security_state_static.json https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/master:n...

forgotmypw17 5y ago

google is, ironically, one of the few remaining "major" sites which support http. i'm a bit of a browser historian, so i regularly browse the web in everything from mosaic, to ie3 and netscape, firefox 3.x, and all the modern-day favorites such as links and w3m. so i started building my own websites with all the oldies in mind. it takes some tweaking, but not that much, and i enjoy strolling^Wsurfing down memory lane, looking at that gorgeous ie3 menubar, which was replaced with a flat gray in ie4, or writing something in opera 12.x.

gattilorenz 5y ago

With the Web Rendering Proxy (https://github.com/tenox7/wrp https://github.com/tenox7/wrp) you can also visit bing.com :)