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The metaverse bet you shrug off but adding emoji reactions impresses you? Google is in “accumulate capital to deploy the next technological shift” mode, Facebo

The metaverse bet you shrug off but adding emoji reactions impresses you? Google is in “accumulate capital to deploy the next technological shift” mode, Facebook is trying to make that shift a reality (Waymo excepted).

civilized 5y ago
Google keeps a large suite of in-house built, enormously useful products alive and still manages to move them forward incrementally. FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004. Given that, why would I care if they made a video about the incredible things they will do in the future? If I'm to believe they will deliver, shouldn't they have a track record by now? And Google has led in AI for the past decade so I'm not sure how you got the impression that FB is doing and Google is just sitting on cash. Looks exactly opposite to me.
- pedrosorio 5y ago
  > FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004. Given that, why would I care if they made a video about the incredible things they will do in the future? Have you used a few VR devices over the last decade, including the last Quest?
  - civilized 5y ago
    No. I can't imagine putting on anything that would exacerbate my neck strain. Screen, stay where you are and I'll decide what angle to look at you from. Maybe when they scale it down to the size and heft of swimming goggles.
- achenatx 5y ago
  facebook groups and marketplace are huge. Marketplace will be the craigslist killer if they can fix their scammer problems. Groups compete well with reddit. As they build a 'metaverse' groups, marketplace, and walls can form the foundation you wall is your own personal space. Your groups and the marketplace become places that you go to.
  - civilized 5y ago
    I respect that hypothesis. They've got their bite of the market with those products.
  - mupuff1234 5y ago
    How will the "metaverse" UX improve any of those experiences? Kinda reminds me when as a kid I was excited about windows 3d UI since it sounded cool, but quickly realized it's way less convenient.
- skinkestek 5y ago
  > Google keeps a large suite of in-house built, enormously useful products alive and still manages to move them forward incrementally. FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004. I despised Facebook before everyone else but seriously: Google is extremely well known for killing useful stuff that people love, not for moving them forward incrementally. I can't remember Facebook killing off anything since parsley or whatever it was called. Google has also been going backwards since I don't know, 2009 or something? (Back in the day it used to be that search results somewhat reliably contained the the you searched for. Today Google is in my opinion a copy of the competitors they outcompeted: customer hostile ads, poor results.) Facebook is the ugly thing it has been since I don't know when.
  - civilized 5y ago
    Google has killed about 5x more things people love than FB has created. But they still keep a lot of core products alive.
    - skinkestek 5y ago
      Ok, I admit you have a good point. I counted the ones I can remember: - search (although this one barely qualifies in my opinion) - GMail/GSuite (once provided ever increasing storage, also killed free GSuite etc etc but I'll count it, it exists and has even expanded a bit) - YouTube - Ads - Android - Chrome Quite a portfolio actually. Says something about how much I dislike them when I had to think long and hard to admit it.
      - Jensson 5y ago
        Maps and docs as well. While Facebook is the king of time wasting apps, Google is the king of useful apps. They might abuse their role a bit, but at least the products are things that helps people.
        skinkestek 5y ago
        And now that I think of it GCP is still alive, for now at least.
indymike 5y ago
> The metaverse bet you shrug off but adding emoji reactions impresses you? I'm not sure the metaverse play really is anything other than continuing the same thinking that led to Facebook login required for Oculus. The idea is probably to roll out VR no differently than rolling out emoji reactions. It's what you do when you get big. 1B users * 10% using new feature = BIG NEW USER BASE and you get to report growth for years as 10% turns into 20%.

civilized 5y ago

Google keeps a large suite of in-house built, enormously useful products alive and still manages to move them forward incrementally. FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004. Given that, why would I care if they made a video about the incredible things they will do in the future? If I'm to believe they will deliver, shouldn't they have a track record by now? And Google has led in AI for the past decade so I'm not sure how you got the impression that FB is doing and Google is just sitting on cash. Looks exactly opposite to me.

pedrosorio 5y ago
> FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004. Given that, why would I care if they made a video about the incredible things they will do in the future? Have you used a few VR devices over the last decade, including the last Quest?
- civilized 5y ago
  No. I can't imagine putting on anything that would exacerbate my neck strain. Screen, stay where you are and I'll decide what angle to look at you from. Maybe when they scale it down to the size and heft of swimming goggles.
achenatx 5y ago
facebook groups and marketplace are huge. Marketplace will be the craigslist killer if they can fix their scammer problems. Groups compete well with reddit. As they build a 'metaverse' groups, marketplace, and walls can form the foundation you wall is your own personal space. Your groups and the marketplace become places that you go to.
- civilized 5y ago
  I respect that hypothesis. They've got their bite of the market with those products.
- mupuff1234 5y ago
  How will the "metaverse" UX improve any of those experiences? Kinda reminds me when as a kid I was excited about windows 3d UI since it sounded cool, but quickly realized it's way less convenient.
skinkestek 5y ago
> Google keeps a large suite of in-house built, enormously useful products alive and still manages to move them forward incrementally. FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004. I despised Facebook before everyone else but seriously: Google is extremely well known for killing useful stuff that people love, not for moving them forward incrementally. I can't remember Facebook killing off anything since parsley or whatever it was called. Google has also been going backwards since I don't know, 2009 or something? (Back in the day it used to be that search results somewhat reliably contained the the you searched for. Today Google is in my opinion a copy of the competitors they outcompeted: customer hostile ads, poor results.) Facebook is the ugly thing it has been since I don't know when.
- civilized 5y ago
  Google has killed about 5x more things people love than FB has created. But they still keep a lot of core products alive.
  - skinkestek 5y ago
    Ok, I admit you have a good point. I counted the ones I can remember: - search (although this one barely qualifies in my opinion) - GMail/GSuite (once provided ever increasing storage, also killed free GSuite etc etc but I'll count it, it exists and has even expanded a bit) - YouTube - Ads - Android - Chrome Quite a portfolio actually. Says something about how much I dislike them when I had to think long and hard to admit it.
    - Jensson 5y ago
      Maps and docs as well. While Facebook is the king of time wasting apps, Google is the king of useful apps. They might abuse their role a bit, but at least the products are things that helps people.
      - skinkestek 5y ago
        And now that I think of it GCP is still alive, for now at least.

indymike 5y ago

> The metaverse bet you shrug off but adding emoji reactions impresses you? I'm not sure the metaverse play really is anything other than continuing the same thinking that led to Facebook login required for Oculus. The idea is probably to roll out VR no differently than rolling out emoji reactions. It's what you do when you get big. 1B users * 10% using new feature = BIG NEW USER BASE and you get to report growth for years as 10% turns into 20%.