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FB is already a legacy company in my opinion. It makes no products I am interested in using and gives no indication of ever doing so. I will never call them Met

FB is already a legacy company in my opinion. It makes no products I am interested in using and gives no indication of ever doing so. I will never call them Meta and it's going to be funny when no one else does either. They haven't earned it. Google, whatever its problems, gives some indication of keeping up with the times. Aside from undisputed leadership in AI, there are the little things: they recently overhauled their chat tooling (again) and (finally) added Slack-style emoji reactions. If they still had some of their mid-2000s mojo, it would be neat to see them try again with a social network product.

philovivero 5y ago
That's an interesting take. Most everyone I know find Google's chat changes utter shit, and have found alternatives. Personally, I dumped it and joined a Slack community of the one person I talked with most on it. Besides being a complete disaster, UI-wise, it freezes up and ceases working constantly in the web UI. The remaining people I know who stay on Google's chat... I simply cannot talk to anymore. I send them email or use an alternative chat service they're on. You might consider a different example of how you feel Google is keeping up with the times.
- civilized 5y ago
  > You might consider a different example of how you feel Google is keeping up with the times. Nah, it's okay that I feel differently about a feature than you and say so publicly.
fullshark 5y ago
The metaverse bet you shrug off but adding emoji reactions impresses you? Google is in “accumulate capital to deploy the next technological shift” mode, Facebook is trying to make that shift a reality (Waymo excepted).
- civilized 5y ago
  Google keeps a large suite of in-house built, enormously useful products alive and still manages to move them forward incrementally. FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004. Given that, why would I care if they made a video about the incredible things they will do in the future? If I'm to believe they will deliver, shouldn't they have a track record by now? And Google has led in AI for the past decade so I'm not sure how you got the impression that FB is doing and Google is just sitting on cash. Looks exactly opposite to me.
  - pedrosorio 5y ago
    > FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004. Given that, why would I care if they made a video about the incredible things they will do in the future? Have you used a few VR devices over the last decade, including the last Quest?
    - civilized 5y ago
      No. I can't imagine putting on anything that would exacerbate my neck strain. Screen, stay where you are and I'll decide what angle to look at you from. Maybe when they scale it down to the size and heft of swimming goggles.
  - achenatx 5y ago
    facebook groups and marketplace are huge. Marketplace will be the craigslist killer if they can fix their scammer problems. Groups compete well with reddit. As they build a 'metaverse' groups, marketplace, and walls can form the foundation you wall is your own personal space. Your groups and the marketplace become places that you go to.
    - civilized 5y ago
      I respect that hypothesis. They've got their bite of the market with those products.
    - mupuff1234 5y ago
      How will the "metaverse" UX improve any of those experiences? Kinda reminds me when as a kid I was excited about windows 3d UI since it sounded cool, but quickly realized it's way less convenient.
- indymike 5y ago
  > The metaverse bet you shrug off but adding emoji reactions impresses you? I'm not sure the metaverse play really is anything other than continuing the same thinking that led to Facebook login required for Oculus. The idea is probably to roll out VR no differently than rolling out emoji reactions. It's what you do when you get big. 1B users * 10% using new feature = BIG NEW USER BASE and you get to report growth for years as 10% turns into 20%.
KKKKkkkk1 5y ago
Their social networking product is YouTube. It's quite successful and it beat Facebook in video.

philovivero 5y ago

That's an interesting take. Most everyone I know find Google's chat changes utter shit, and have found alternatives. Personally, I dumped it and joined a Slack community of the one person I talked with most on it. Besides being a complete disaster, UI-wise, it freezes up and ceases working constantly in the web UI. The remaining people I know who stay on Google's chat... I simply cannot talk to anymore. I send them email or use an alternative chat service they're on. You might consider a different example of how you feel Google is keeping up with the times.

civilized 5y ago
> You might consider a different example of how you feel Google is keeping up with the times. Nah, it's okay that I feel differently about a feature than you and say so publicly.

fullshark 5y ago

The metaverse bet you shrug off but adding emoji reactions impresses you? Google is in “accumulate capital to deploy the next technological shift” mode, Facebook is trying to make that shift a reality (Waymo excepted).

civilized 5y ago
Google keeps a large suite of in-house built, enormously useful products alive and still manages to move them forward incrementally. FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004. Given that, why would I care if they made a video about the incredible things they will do in the future? If I'm to believe they will deliver, shouldn't they have a track record by now? And Google has led in AI for the past decade so I'm not sure how you got the impression that FB is doing and Google is just sitting on cash. Looks exactly opposite to me.
- pedrosorio 5y ago
  > FB has done nothing useful for me since I signed up in 2004. Given that, why would I care if they made a video about the incredible things they will do in the future? Have you used a few VR devices over the last decade, including the last Quest?
  - civilized 5y ago
    No. I can't imagine putting on anything that would exacerbate my neck strain. Screen, stay where you are and I'll decide what angle to look at you from. Maybe when they scale it down to the size and heft of swimming goggles.
- achenatx 5y ago
  facebook groups and marketplace are huge. Marketplace will be the craigslist killer if they can fix their scammer problems. Groups compete well with reddit. As they build a 'metaverse' groups, marketplace, and walls can form the foundation you wall is your own personal space. Your groups and the marketplace become places that you go to.
  - civilized 5y ago
    I respect that hypothesis. They've got their bite of the market with those products.
  - mupuff1234 5y ago
    How will the "metaverse" UX improve any of those experiences? Kinda reminds me when as a kid I was excited about windows 3d UI since it sounded cool, but quickly realized it's way less convenient.
indymike 5y ago
> The metaverse bet you shrug off but adding emoji reactions impresses you? I'm not sure the metaverse play really is anything other than continuing the same thinking that led to Facebook login required for Oculus. The idea is probably to roll out VR no differently than rolling out emoji reactions. It's what you do when you get big. 1B users * 10% using new feature = BIG NEW USER BASE and you get to report growth for years as 10% turns into 20%.

KKKKkkkk1 5y ago

Their social networking product is YouTube. It's quite successful and it beat Facebook in video.