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Sure, but trademark is "your brand + your market" You can see that play out here in the early case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer

by lbotos 5y ago

Sure, but trademark is "your brand + your market" You can see that play out here in the early case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer "As a condition of the settlement, Apple Computer agreed not to enter the music business, and Apple Corps agreed not to enter the computer business." As long as the band Doomscroll doesn't make their logo look like Id's DOOM logo, and as long as they are very different Id doesn't own DOOM everywhere...

hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
But it's not just about the word "Doom", because the band doesn't want to name themselves that. "Doom scrolling" is a phrase that is already well known, in general use, and has extremely little to do with how the video game uses it. For example, Id would have very little legal argument if the band (or heck, even a company in a closely related industry) wanted to name themselves "Doomsday". Id's trademark doesn't cover all syllables that sound like Doom.
- lbotos 5y ago
  sure, your point supports mine. DOOM (tm) is different than Doom scrolling. Again, if the band Doom Scroll's logo was styled similarly enough to the DOOM(tm) word mark, then there could be a case of trademark infringement because the point of a trademark is to protect the consumer so that you know that the brand you are buying from is actually the people you expect. It often doesn't feel that way because companies get overzealous and those cases are the ones we read about. Like the above. Most people don't get upset when Lego group go after LEPIN: https://geekspin.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/lepin.jpg https://geekspin.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/lepin.jpg If the Doom scroll logo is close enough to DOOM there could be a case here. IANAL
  - hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
    I mean, sure, if the band copies the game in, say, a video, Id would have a separate case, but that's completely independent of the name. Just like with your Lepin example, Lego isn't going after them for their name, they're suing because the box and product design look exactly like a Lego box (WTF is "STAR WNRS" even supposed to mean?). Looking at just the name, Id might have a better case if the name was "DOOM Band" or something like that. But Doomscroll is taken from a word that doesn't even evoke the video game or even have anything to do with the same concept of "doom" that the game evokes.
    - MonkeyClub 5y ago
      > (WTF is "STAR WNRS" even supposed to mean?) Violating two trademarks in one go would be too much? That would be my guess, and lifting Lego's format was just a convenience.
thaumasiotes 5y ago
> As a condition of the settlement, Apple Computer agreed not to enter the music business So what happened? Did Apple Corps get to collect a penalty here?
- yesbut 5y ago
  > Apple Corps Apple Corpse is heavier than Doomscroll.
  - thaumasiotes 5y ago
    If you're trying to make a joke, I don't get it. I assume Apple Corps is a pun on "apple core".
    - tarsinge 5y ago
      I think the parent means "heavier" as "more metal" for a band name (like "Cannibal Corpse").
- sorenjan 5y ago
  "As revealed on 5 February 2007, Apple Inc. and Apple Corps reached a settlement of their trademark dispute under which Apple Inc. will own all of the trademarks related to "Apple" and will license certain of those trademarks back to Apple Corps for their continued use. The settlement ends the ongoing trademark lawsuit between the companies, with each party bearing its own legal costs, and Apple Inc. will continue using its name and logos on iTunes. The settlement includes terms that are confidential, although newspaper accounts at the time stated that Apple Computer was buying out Apple Corps' trademark rights for a total of $500 million." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer
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by lbotos 5y ago

hn_throwaway_99 5y ago

But it's not just about the word "Doom", because the band doesn't want to name themselves that. "Doom scrolling" is a phrase that is already well known, in general use, and has extremely little to do with how the video game uses it. For example, Id would have very little legal argument if the band (or heck, even a company in a closely related industry) wanted to name themselves "Doomsday". Id's trademark doesn't cover all syllables that sound like Doom.

lbotos 5y ago
sure, your point supports mine. DOOM (tm) is different than Doom scrolling. Again, if the band Doom Scroll's logo was styled similarly enough to the DOOM(tm) word mark, then there could be a case of trademark infringement because the point of a trademark is to protect the consumer so that you know that the brand you are buying from is actually the people you expect. It often doesn't feel that way because companies get overzealous and those cases are the ones we read about. Like the above. Most people don't get upset when Lego group go after LEPIN: https://geekspin.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/lepin.jpg https://geekspin.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/lepin.jpg If the Doom scroll logo is close enough to DOOM there could be a case here. IANAL
- hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
  I mean, sure, if the band copies the game in, say, a video, Id would have a separate case, but that's completely independent of the name. Just like with your Lepin example, Lego isn't going after them for their name, they're suing because the box and product design look exactly like a Lego box (WTF is "STAR WNRS" even supposed to mean?). Looking at just the name, Id might have a better case if the name was "DOOM Band" or something like that. But Doomscroll is taken from a word that doesn't even evoke the video game or even have anything to do with the same concept of "doom" that the game evokes.
  - MonkeyClub 5y ago
    > (WTF is "STAR WNRS" even supposed to mean?) Violating two trademarks in one go would be too much? That would be my guess, and lifting Lego's format was just a convenience.

thaumasiotes 5y ago

> As a condition of the settlement, Apple Computer agreed not to enter the music business So what happened? Did Apple Corps get to collect a penalty here?

yesbut 5y ago
> Apple Corps Apple Corpse is heavier than Doomscroll.
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  If you're trying to make a joke, I don't get it. I assume Apple Corps is a pun on "apple core".
  - tarsinge 5y ago
    I think the parent means "heavier" as "more metal" for a band name (like "Cannibal Corpse").
sorenjan 5y ago
"As revealed on 5 February 2007, Apple Inc. and Apple Corps reached a settlement of their trademark dispute under which Apple Inc. will own all of the trademarks related to "Apple" and will license certain of those trademarks back to Apple Corps for their continued use. The settlement ends the ongoing trademark lawsuit between the companies, with each party bearing its own legal costs, and Apple Inc. will continue using its name and logos on iTunes. The settlement includes terms that are confidential, although newspaper accounts at the time stated that Apple Computer was buying out Apple Corps' trademark rights for a total of $500 million." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer
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