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Safari/WebKit on iOS is a far worse offender. Part of the reason you can't escape the app store tax is because WebKit intentionally gimps webapps. Even Microso

Safari/WebKit on iOS is a far worse offender. Part of the reason you can't escape the app store tax is because WebKit intentionally gimps webapps. Even Microsoft wasn't this dirty with IE, you could always install other browsers.

nojito 5y ago
Good luck trying to win a monopoly argument on an OS without a majority marketshare.
eitland 5y ago
I hear this a lot. I'll listen - when Safari has anyone near the marketshare across all mobile devices as Chrome has on desktop and mobile. - Apple has spent billions on promoting it - has intentionally gimped several top ten web properties for other browsers until then this is a problem for iOS users, including me, not an internet problem. I get it, Safari is annoying, but lets not compare Apple fleecing their own users (including me) with Google trying to finish off what Microsoft failed to: to kill the open web.
judge2020 5y ago
I mean, this won’t work in court since being forced to use WebKit isn’t unique - it’s just a technical requirement to developing on iOS. Just as you’re forced to use specific Apple APIs to access sensor data or draw stuff to the screen, you’re forced to use a specific APIs to run JavaScript code.
- the8472 5y ago
  > it’s just a technical requirement to developing on iOS It's not a technical requirement. It's purely policy. Nothing but policy stops others from compiling their own runtimes for iOS. Sensors are different, you need to access the hardware. Browsers are just general purpose software.
cute_boi 5y ago
There is one good aspect of safari. Because of fear of loosing ios customer many website still works and doesn't shouts at you "This website only works on chrome". And Microsoft is worst company than apple in browser till today. Their product Skype doesn't even work on Firefox. And in macos you can easily switch firefox but in win11 good luck.

nojito 5y ago

Good luck trying to win a monopoly argument on an OS without a majority marketshare.

eitland 5y ago

I hear this a lot. I'll listen - when Safari has anyone near the marketshare across all mobile devices as Chrome has on desktop and mobile. - Apple has spent billions on promoting it - has intentionally gimped several top ten web properties for other browsers until then this is a problem for iOS users, including me, not an internet problem. I get it, Safari is annoying, but lets not compare Apple fleecing their own users (including me) with Google trying to finish off what Microsoft failed to: to kill the open web.

judge2020 5y ago

I mean, this won’t work in court since being forced to use WebKit isn’t unique - it’s just a technical requirement to developing on iOS. Just as you’re forced to use specific Apple APIs to access sensor data or draw stuff to the screen, you’re forced to use a specific APIs to run JavaScript code.

the8472 5y ago
> it’s just a technical requirement to developing on iOS It's not a technical requirement. It's purely policy. Nothing but policy stops others from compiling their own runtimes for iOS. Sensors are different, you need to access the hardware. Browsers are just general purpose software.

cute_boi 5y ago

There is one good aspect of safari. Because of fear of loosing ios customer many website still works and doesn't shouts at you "This website only works on chrome". And Microsoft is worst company than apple in browser till today. Their product Skype doesn't even work on Firefox. And in macos you can easily switch firefox but in win11 good luck.