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Fish is one of the healthiest food you can eat, take your diet agenda elsewhere. The problem here is our role in the ecosystem, which is extractive and not in h

Fish is one of the healthiest food you can eat, take your diet agenda elsewhere. The problem here is our role in the ecosystem, which is extractive and not in harmony. The main culprit is land locked people eating far away foods, its not sustainable. Everything should be optimized for local, in season consumption. Imported food aught to be a treat, not a staple.

hellbannedguy 5y ago
Being a vegetarian is healthy too. We can't have everything. There's just too many people on this wounded planet. I would love to eat fish. I can't because of cost, and too many people love to eat them. We all can't have everything we want.
alisonkisk 5y ago
This makes no sense. If landlocked people moved to the coast, that would solve your "local" problem but not fix overfishing at all. And if fish is so important to eat, landlocked people mustn't be deprived of it. You are conflating transportation costs with nutrition and getting a meaningless argument. Take your local agenda elsewhere.
BrianOnHN 5y ago
This comment is spot on. Furthermore, this year alone, I've seen megatons of dead fish wash up within a week because of a single phosphorus(fertilizer) dump into the gulf. So to reiterate, eating fish isn't the problem. The current human role in our ecosystem, is.
msh 5y ago
Many places in the world you can only produce food locally in a limited season, so you have to store or import. I don't think import is naturally much worse than storage.
heliodor 5y ago
By the same logic, you should not be using Saudi Arabia's oil. Some places have more of something than they need for their own consumption. Trade makes sense.
- Fnoord 5y ago
  We are, for now, dependant on fossil fuels (including from nefarious regimes). I like fish, practically all except coalfish/pollock/seelachs (which does have a nice advantage: cheap and widely available). Fish is supposedly a good sourcevon omega 3 fatty acids, vitamin D, and vitamin B13. Which are all 3 difficult to come by if you largely follow a vegan diet otherwise. Yes I have the choice of eating things like cowmilk, chicken eggs, and cheese, but I generally don't like them. For example, I only molten cheese and non-boiled eggs. So I end up regularly eating some Captain Iglo/Birdseye fish sticks which are cheap and mask the taste and structure of coalfish/pollock/seelachs. One time in a German restaurant we got excited. Seelachs, that's salmon, right? Wrong, salmon is lachs, seelachs is coalfish/pollock. Such disappointment while I see people getting served, price was too good to be true (it was a large group deal though). I ended up eating one bite. See, not many brands cover up the taste well. In this case, no seasoning whatsoever was used. The problem is, back 100 days ago, imported foods were a luxury. You'd eat local unless you were rich (most people were not). But we don't do that because those who pollute get away with it; they don't pay a fair share to destimulate the behaviour enough, and the bioindustry is very efficient and caused an availability of meat for the pleb folk. If we go on in this pace, major cities like Amsterdam are unlikely to exist in 2100. But voters don't seem to care, so the future of my children is likely not near the city they were born, they can vusit it by boat or drone or Maps by then, reading on Wikipedia what once and how adults failed. All because we were too greedy and unwilling to solve it on a macro level.
  - FDSGSG 5y ago
    >Wrong, salmon is lachs, seelachs is coalfish/pollock This is very much a deliberate (and successful) scam by the Germans, and not something that came about naturally. Seelachs is a trade name they came up with because "Kohler" didn't sound good enough. https://rp-online.de/leben/gesundheit/ernaehrung/seelachs-der-erfundene-fisch_aid-15780139 https://rp-online.de/leben/gesundheit/ernaehrung/seelachs-de...
thaumasiotes 5y ago
> The main culprit is land locked people eating far away foods, its not sustainable. > Everything should be optimized for local, in season consumption. Imported food aught to be a treat, not a staple. It's not like we don't know how this turns out. You're advocating for pretty severe malnutrition in a lot of landlocked populations.
merrywhether 5y ago
You’re basically saying that just because we haven’t been great at general fishery management yet doesn’t mean we won’t get it right next time. But the problem here is that fisheries are literally the textbook example of the tragedy of the commons and there will always be someone looking to capture the benefits while externalizing the costs. I’m not disagreeing with you that unsustainable eating is the root of this (and many other) problem but the only successful solutions has been extremely strong semi-militaristic (eg Coast Guard with teeth) enforcement of fishing quotas that are quite unpopular for all involved: fishers who lose jobs, eaters who lose access to a favorite taste, etc. No one likes taking their vitamins as it were.
sweetheart 5y ago
There is remarkably little environmental impact when it comes to shipping food around the world. Also, you say the problem is our extractive practices when it comes to nature. We only extract because people demand it. We ought to stop demanding it.

hellbannedguy 5y ago

Being a vegetarian is healthy too. We can't have everything. There's just too many people on this wounded planet. I would love to eat fish. I can't because of cost, and too many people love to eat them. We all can't have everything we want.

alisonkisk 5y ago

This makes no sense. If landlocked people moved to the coast, that would solve your "local" problem but not fix overfishing at all. And if fish is so important to eat, landlocked people mustn't be deprived of it. You are conflating transportation costs with nutrition and getting a meaningless argument. Take your local agenda elsewhere.

BrianOnHN 5y ago

This comment is spot on. Furthermore, this year alone, I've seen megatons of dead fish wash up within a week because of a single phosphorus(fertilizer) dump into the gulf. So to reiterate, eating fish isn't the problem. The current human role in our ecosystem, is.

msh 5y ago

Many places in the world you can only produce food locally in a limited season, so you have to store or import. I don't think import is naturally much worse than storage.

heliodor 5y ago

By the same logic, you should not be using Saudi Arabia's oil. Some places have more of something than they need for their own consumption. Trade makes sense.

Fnoord 5y ago
We are, for now, dependant on fossil fuels (including from nefarious regimes). I like fish, practically all except coalfish/pollock/seelachs (which does have a nice advantage: cheap and widely available). Fish is supposedly a good sourcevon omega 3 fatty acids, vitamin D, and vitamin B13. Which are all 3 difficult to come by if you largely follow a vegan diet otherwise. Yes I have the choice of eating things like cowmilk, chicken eggs, and cheese, but I generally don't like them. For example, I only molten cheese and non-boiled eggs. So I end up regularly eating some Captain Iglo/Birdseye fish sticks which are cheap and mask the taste and structure of coalfish/pollock/seelachs. One time in a German restaurant we got excited. Seelachs, that's salmon, right? Wrong, salmon is lachs, seelachs is coalfish/pollock. Such disappointment while I see people getting served, price was too good to be true (it was a large group deal though). I ended up eating one bite. See, not many brands cover up the taste well. In this case, no seasoning whatsoever was used. The problem is, back 100 days ago, imported foods were a luxury. You'd eat local unless you were rich (most people were not). But we don't do that because those who pollute get away with it; they don't pay a fair share to destimulate the behaviour enough, and the bioindustry is very efficient and caused an availability of meat for the pleb folk. If we go on in this pace, major cities like Amsterdam are unlikely to exist in 2100. But voters don't seem to care, so the future of my children is likely not near the city they were born, they can vusit it by boat or drone or Maps by then, reading on Wikipedia what once and how adults failed. All because we were too greedy and unwilling to solve it on a macro level.
- FDSGSG 5y ago
  >Wrong, salmon is lachs, seelachs is coalfish/pollock This is very much a deliberate (and successful) scam by the Germans, and not something that came about naturally. Seelachs is a trade name they came up with because "Kohler" didn't sound good enough. https://rp-online.de/leben/gesundheit/ernaehrung/seelachs-der-erfundene-fisch_aid-15780139 https://rp-online.de/leben/gesundheit/ernaehrung/seelachs-de...

thaumasiotes 5y ago

> The main culprit is land locked people eating far away foods, its not sustainable. > Everything should be optimized for local, in season consumption. Imported food aught to be a treat, not a staple. It's not like we don't know how this turns out. You're advocating for pretty severe malnutrition in a lot of landlocked populations.

merrywhether 5y ago

You’re basically saying that just because we haven’t been great at general fishery management yet doesn’t mean we won’t get it right next time. But the problem here is that fisheries are literally the textbook example of the tragedy of the commons and there will always be someone looking to capture the benefits while externalizing the costs. I’m not disagreeing with you that unsustainable eating is the root of this (and many other) problem but the only successful solutions has been extremely strong semi-militaristic (eg Coast Guard with teeth) enforcement of fishing quotas that are quite unpopular for all involved: fishers who lose jobs, eaters who lose access to a favorite taste, etc. No one likes taking their vitamins as it were.

sweetheart 5y ago

There is remarkably little environmental impact when it comes to shipping food around the world. Also, you say the problem is our extractive practices when it comes to nature. We only extract because people demand it. We ought to stop demanding it.