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> I essentially challenged the creator to advocate for his new platform by supporting the speech rights of child abusers to promote their ideas I wouldn’t do t

> I essentially challenged the creator to advocate for his new platform by supporting the speech rights of child abusers to promote their ideas I wouldn’t do that. I’m not sure why anybody would.

unclebucknasty 5y ago
Well, feel free to substitute something legal or more abstract, like tentacle porn. But, I did it exactly because it's a real-world example of near-universally abhorrent speech that I don't think they would support on their own platform. But, the deplatformed and other types who are recently lamenting "the great fall of free speech" always offer the argument "who gets to decide what speech is acceptable?", which is a gratingly disingenuous position that pretends we don't have standards and laws, etc. as a society. And further pretends that they themselves believe there should be no limitations on free speech ("unfettered"). We've always had deciders. These people just don't like the recent decisions. But, if that's not the case, then the only way to prove it is to truly allow all speech on their own platform and telegraph that intention by openly supporting the speech rights of the most abhorrent people in society.
- newbie789 5y ago
  Yeah, these “free speech at all costs!!” folks really don’t think that individuals and private organizations should have the right to curate what appears on the platforms they own and pay for. Their version of “free speech” necessarily requires taking away others’ rights to property, which seems kind of odd because that same crowd is often going on about ~liberty~. Every time I see people shaking their fists and yelling “MODS!!!!” at the sky it gives me a laugh because that person almost certainly has never actually tried to provide an open forum or image hosting service. They’re usually actually fully averse to the idea of doing so, hence why nobody has offered to host my collection of tentacle porn for free and in perpetuity. It’s not an issue of what these people believe is morally right like is often claimed, it’s an issue of how they feel entitled to be treated as an individual regardless of how that impacts the freedom of others. There’s no ideological consistency of “freedom”, just a tantrum about not getting enough free services.

> I essentially challenged the creator to advocate for his new platform by supporting the speech rights of child abusers to promote their ideas I wouldn’t do that. I’m not sure why anybody would.

unclebucknasty 5y ago

Well, feel free to substitute something legal or more abstract, like tentacle porn. But, I did it exactly because it's a real-world example of near-universally abhorrent speech that I don't think they would support on their own platform. But, the deplatformed and other types who are recently lamenting "the great fall of free speech" always offer the argument "who gets to decide what speech is acceptable?", which is a gratingly disingenuous position that pretends we don't have standards and laws, etc. as a society. And further pretends that they themselves believe there should be no limitations on free speech ("unfettered"). We've always had deciders. These people just don't like the recent decisions. But, if that's not the case, then the only way to prove it is to truly allow all speech on their own platform and telegraph that intention by openly supporting the speech rights of the most abhorrent people in society.

newbie789 5y ago
Yeah, these “free speech at all costs!!” folks really don’t think that individuals and private organizations should have the right to curate what appears on the platforms they own and pay for. Their version of “free speech” necessarily requires taking away others’ rights to property, which seems kind of odd because that same crowd is often going on about ~liberty~. Every time I see people shaking their fists and yelling “MODS!!!!” at the sky it gives me a laugh because that person almost certainly has never actually tried to provide an open forum or image hosting service. They’re usually actually fully averse to the idea of doing so, hence why nobody has offered to host my collection of tentacle porn for free and in perpetuity. It’s not an issue of what these people believe is morally right like is often claimed, it’s an issue of how they feel entitled to be treated as an individual regardless of how that impacts the freedom of others. There’s no ideological consistency of “freedom”, just a tantrum about not getting enough free services.