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Well, it brings kids in front of a computer and teachers save time. Google Forms Quiz has a grading and summary feature: * Frequently missed questions * Graphs

Well, it brings kids in front of a computer and teachers save time. Google Forms Quiz has a grading and summary feature: * Frequently missed questions * Graphs marked with correct answers * Average, median, and range of scores

grayhatter 5y ago
Kids who would be able to take a test via computer are near the set of kids who have a cellphone within 2 meters of their hand at all times. Access to, and technological literacy is not the problems facing the generation of people taking tests today. Whereas, everything is broken is currently, and still looking like the problems of both today, and tomorrow. In part because people are willing to implement user hostile features like disabling the ability to fix bugs on your own.
- chromanoid 5y ago
  This is not user hostile. In this case the user is the teacher not the kid. Man, do they really have to deploy iPads in kiosk mode for shitty tests so you don't shit on them? Teachers do their best to optimize and digitize teaching under the worst circumstances. If this litte bugfix helps them I am happy. Please note that this feature is part of managed Chrome which can be restricted in many other ways. The exam workstation itself of course too.
  - grayhatter 5y ago
    > This is not user hostile. In this case the user is the teacher not the kid. Then what is the kid? And who is *using* the computer to take the test? And who is *using* the browser? And who is *using* Chromium that would like to learn something about the source, that now has view-source disabled? Are they not users, just because someone else wrote the test? > Man, do they really have to deploy iPads in kiosk mode for shitty tests so you don't shit on them? Teachers do their best to optimize and digitize teaching under the worst circumstances. If this litte bugfix helps them I am happy. I'm happy to help teachers too, but this helps them by hurting others. That's *not* ok! > Please note that this feature is part of managed Chrome which can be restricted in many other ways. The exam workstation itself of course too. Sure, but that's still wrong. Just because bad thing is bad, or closer to how you put it, there's other things you can't do with this software. Doesn't mean that adding more restrictions is a good thing.
    - chromanoid 5y ago
      So they have to build an app for exams that never had features they would have to deactivate to satisfy your irrational idea of wrongness?
      - grayhatter 5y ago
        No, I think that's a bad idea too. I think the test that's sent to the client shouldn't have the answers inside the test itself. We keep comparing this to paper tests, what's a better solution, printing the answers on the back side of paper test, and then gluing another piece of paper over the answers? Or not printing the answer on the back of the test?
        chromanoid 5y ago
        > No, I think that's a bad idea too. I think the test that's sent to the client shouldn't have the answers inside the test itself. We keep comparing this to paper tests, what's a better solution, printing the answers on the back side of paper test, and then gluing another piece of paper over the answers? Or not printing the answer on the back of the test? So server side security is in this case better because it's a more clean solution? In this case the cleanliness of the solution is irrelevant as long as it works. Students can always sneak in attach a keylogger to the teacher's keyboard and read out the password for accessing all tests. It's about erecting a barrier that is good enough.
        grayhatter 5y ago
        > So server side security is in this case better because it's a more clean solution? Yes, absolutely. There's nothing a client can do if the server doesn't send it the answers. > In this case the cleanliness of the solution is irrelevant as long as it works. *NO!!* How good a solution is always matters! Another solution to students cheating is for an older student to stand over them as the take the test, and beat them with a stick if they try to view the source of the test. That' would be a solution to this problem, but it's so obviously bad. But hey, it'd work. It'd actually work better than this because it would work on every test, on every site, in every browser, for every computer... Because how clean a solution is doesn't matter, who cares if there's a little blood on the screen? > Students can always sneak in attach a keylogger to the teacher's keyboard and read out the password for accessing all tests. It's about erecting a barrier that is good enough. If a student is able to sneak a keylogger onto the computer of a teacher without getting caught, they're smart enough that the test is pointless to them.

grayhatter 5y ago

Kids who would be able to take a test via computer are near the set of kids who have a cellphone within 2 meters of their hand at all times. Access to, and technological literacy is not the problems facing the generation of people taking tests today. Whereas, everything is broken is currently, and still looking like the problems of both today, and tomorrow. In part because people are willing to implement user hostile features like disabling the ability to fix bugs on your own.

chromanoid 5y ago
This is not user hostile. In this case the user is the teacher not the kid. Man, do they really have to deploy iPads in kiosk mode for shitty tests so you don't shit on them? Teachers do their best to optimize and digitize teaching under the worst circumstances. If this litte bugfix helps them I am happy. Please note that this feature is part of managed Chrome which can be restricted in many other ways. The exam workstation itself of course too.
- grayhatter 5y ago
  > This is not user hostile. In this case the user is the teacher not the kid. Then what is the kid? And who is *using* the computer to take the test? And who is *using* the browser? And who is *using* Chromium that would like to learn something about the source, that now has view-source disabled? Are they not users, just because someone else wrote the test? > Man, do they really have to deploy iPads in kiosk mode for shitty tests so you don't shit on them? Teachers do their best to optimize and digitize teaching under the worst circumstances. If this litte bugfix helps them I am happy. I'm happy to help teachers too, but this helps them by hurting others. That's *not* ok! > Please note that this feature is part of managed Chrome which can be restricted in many other ways. The exam workstation itself of course too. Sure, but that's still wrong. Just because bad thing is bad, or closer to how you put it, there's other things you can't do with this software. Doesn't mean that adding more restrictions is a good thing.
  - chromanoid 5y ago
    So they have to build an app for exams that never had features they would have to deactivate to satisfy your irrational idea of wrongness?
    - grayhatter 5y ago
      No, I think that's a bad idea too. I think the test that's sent to the client shouldn't have the answers inside the test itself. We keep comparing this to paper tests, what's a better solution, printing the answers on the back side of paper test, and then gluing another piece of paper over the answers? Or not printing the answer on the back of the test?
      - chromanoid 5y ago
        > No, I think that's a bad idea too. I think the test that's sent to the client shouldn't have the answers inside the test itself. We keep comparing this to paper tests, what's a better solution, printing the answers on the back side of paper test, and then gluing another piece of paper over the answers? Or not printing the answer on the back of the test? So server side security is in this case better because it's a more clean solution? In this case the cleanliness of the solution is irrelevant as long as it works. Students can always sneak in attach a keylogger to the teacher's keyboard and read out the password for accessing all tests. It's about erecting a barrier that is good enough.
        grayhatter 5y ago
        > So server side security is in this case better because it's a more clean solution? Yes, absolutely. There's nothing a client can do if the server doesn't send it the answers. > In this case the cleanliness of the solution is irrelevant as long as it works. *NO!!* How good a solution is always matters! Another solution to students cheating is for an older student to stand over them as the take the test, and beat them with a stick if they try to view the source of the test. That' would be a solution to this problem, but it's so obviously bad. But hey, it'd work. It'd actually work better than this because it would work on every test, on every site, in every browser, for every computer... Because how clean a solution is doesn't matter, who cares if there's a little blood on the screen? > Students can always sneak in attach a keylogger to the teacher's keyboard and read out the password for accessing all tests. It's about erecting a barrier that is good enough. If a student is able to sneak a keylogger onto the computer of a teacher without getting caught, they're smart enough that the test is pointless to them.