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Using the chance to ask: what is currently the cheapest, most efficient place for home PC backups (on linux)? Backblaze B2? Something else?

by krick 5y ago

_def 5y ago
Hard drives I guess (happy if someone can correct me on that)
brosciencecode 5y ago
rsync.net is awesome. You get a Linux filesystem you can access via SSH. Many tools support it (like git-annex), and since it's ssh-able, you can script anything that doesn't work out of the box. They also have optional replication, and you can choose the location of both of the servers that host your files. Great support from actual engineers, used by huge companies for their offsite backups, and never been breached (to my knowledge). EDIT: their features page is a good read. https://www.rsync.net/cloudstorage.html https://www.rsync.net/cloudstorage.html
- krick 5y ago
  Sounds very enticing, however $25/m for 1 TB seems rather pricey. Is replication that x2, or is it included?
  - AnonC 5y ago
    I'm not the GP. There's a slightly cheaper "borg backup" plan at rsync.net. [1]: https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html
lucb1e 5y ago
€0.40/TB/month or €120 per 5 years for 5TB: Old phone or a raspberry pi with a hard drive attached located at a friend's or family member's house. Any cloud service is going to be 5-10 times more at least, last I checked (2019), and that's already a lot better than five years before that (as a ratio of self-hosted to a managed service, so independent of raw storage prices). B2 and Glacier seem to be some of the cheaper options these days. Backblaze (the backup software) doesn't run on Linux and is closed source but they pinky promise to support "unlimited" backups for $5/month which is a really good deal if you both trust them and run Windows. Tarsnap is S3 pricing plus markup, but what you get is linux support, open source clients from a person the community trusts, write-only keys, and the hosting part is off your hands, and pay-as-you-go, which is quite a unique combination. Edit: B2 is $5.7/TB/month according to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29209665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29209665 (`0.4/70*1000`)
- authed 5y ago
  > €0.40/TB/month or €120 per 5 years for 5TB: Old phone or a raspberry pi with a hard drive attached located at a friend's or family member's house. I like to leave an offline backup in my car, too
- krick 5y ago
  B2 doesn't require any closed-source platform specific software to use, you can just use restic. And I'm not sure why should I care about either software and hardware on their end, they should be basically an external hard-drive to me, don't they? About the "raspberry pi" thing... this is kind of answer you immediately regret you didn't preemptively dismiss in the question. I mean, it's hard to even decide if the person saying this is serious or not. Like, setting up a backup server at "your friends house"? Really? Is this seriously something that everybody but me does? Should I do that too? Is it considered normal practice in their cultures? Or is it just something that they say, because they like giving advice they don't follow? To me, that sounds just crazy. Paying under $100/year to know that all of my junk is safely kept somewhere doesn't sound crazy at all, on the other hand. But which is the best option and if they really keep their promises I don't know, of course, that's exactly why I'm asking. Maybe there's some problem in disguise, maybe hardly anybody even uses their services and I shouldn't trust them. I don't know.
  - lucb1e 5y ago
    > B2 doesn't require any closed-source platform specific software to use I never said it did, unless you are confusing Backblaze (the name of their backup solution, https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup.html https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup.html) with their separate and much newer B2 service. > this is kind of answer you immediately regret you didn't preemptively dismiss in the question Well I'm sorry. For what it's worth, this is literally the solution I use so I thought I could be helpful by at least including that as a base price point. > which is the best option and if they really keep their promises I don't know, of course, that's exactly why I'm asking. I don't understand, has anyone shared stories of paying Google/Amazon/Microsoft/Backblaze/Dropbox for X amount of storage and them not keeping their end of the contract? I understand your question even less now than I thought I did before.

Using the chance to ask: what is currently the cheapest, most efficient place for home PC backups (on linux)? Backblaze B2? Something else?

by krick 5y ago

Using the chance to ask: what is currently the cheapest, most efficient place for home PC backups (on linux)? Backblaze B2? Something else?

_def 5y ago

Hard drives I guess (happy if someone can correct me on that)

brosciencecode 5y ago

rsync.net is awesome. You get a Linux filesystem you can access via SSH. Many tools support it (like git-annex), and since it's ssh-able, you can script anything that doesn't work out of the box. They also have optional replication, and you can choose the location of both of the servers that host your files. Great support from actual engineers, used by huge companies for their offsite backups, and never been breached (to my knowledge). EDIT: their features page is a good read. https://www.rsync.net/cloudstorage.html https://www.rsync.net/cloudstorage.html

krick 5y ago
Sounds very enticing, however $25/m for 1 TB seems rather pricey. Is replication that x2, or is it included?
- AnonC 5y ago
  I'm not the GP. There's a slightly cheaper "borg backup" plan at rsync.net. [1]: https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html

lucb1e 5y ago

€0.40/TB/month or €120 per 5 years for 5TB: Old phone or a raspberry pi with a hard drive attached located at a friend's or family member's house. Any cloud service is going to be 5-10 times more at least, last I checked (2019), and that's already a lot better than five years before that (as a ratio of self-hosted to a managed service, so independent of raw storage prices). B2 and Glacier seem to be some of the cheaper options these days. Backblaze (the backup software) doesn't run on Linux and is closed source but they pinky promise to support "unlimited" backups for $5/month which is a really good deal if you both trust them and run Windows. Tarsnap is S3 pricing plus markup, but what you get is linux support, open source clients from a person the community trusts, write-only keys, and the hosting part is off your hands, and pay-as-you-go, which is quite a unique combination. Edit: B2 is $5.7/TB/month according to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29209665 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29209665 (`0.4/70*1000`)

authed 5y ago
> €0.40/TB/month or €120 per 5 years for 5TB: Old phone or a raspberry pi with a hard drive attached located at a friend's or family member's house. I like to leave an offline backup in my car, too
krick 5y ago
B2 doesn't require any closed-source platform specific software to use, you can just use restic. And I'm not sure why should I care about either software and hardware on their end, they should be basically an external hard-drive to me, don't they? About the "raspberry pi" thing... this is kind of answer you immediately regret you didn't preemptively dismiss in the question. I mean, it's hard to even decide if the person saying this is serious or not. Like, setting up a backup server at "your friends house"? Really? Is this seriously something that everybody but me does? Should I do that too? Is it considered normal practice in their cultures? Or is it just something that they say, because they like giving advice they don't follow? To me, that sounds just crazy. Paying under $100/year to know that all of my junk is safely kept somewhere doesn't sound crazy at all, on the other hand. But which is the best option and if they really keep their promises I don't know, of course, that's exactly why I'm asking. Maybe there's some problem in disguise, maybe hardly anybody even uses their services and I shouldn't trust them. I don't know.
- lucb1e 5y ago
  > B2 doesn't require any closed-source platform specific software to use I never said it did, unless you are confusing Backblaze (the name of their backup solution, https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup.html https://www.backblaze.com/cloud-backup.html) with their separate and much newer B2 service. > this is kind of answer you immediately regret you didn't preemptively dismiss in the question Well I'm sorry. For what it's worth, this is literally the solution I use so I thought I could be helpful by at least including that as a base price point. > which is the best option and if they really keep their promises I don't know, of course, that's exactly why I'm asking. I don't understand, has anyone shared stories of paying Google/Amazon/Microsoft/Backblaze/Dropbox for X amount of storage and them not keeping their end of the contract? I understand your question even less now than I thought I did before.