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Other people must be thinking this as well, but it seems likely/obvious that the graphing calculator will go extinct, replaced by an app on a touchscreen device

by jal278 15y ago

Other people must be thinking this as well, but it seems likely/obvious that the graphing calculator will go extinct, replaced by an app on a touchscreen device (not an emulated ti-82, but a better more intuitive graphing calc). Sounds like a pretty promising start-up. That the TI-82 is still $70 is unbelievable.

lukeschlather 15y ago
Show me a $70 smartphone that can run for months on a single charge, looks fine without a backlight, and has instant response time, and I'll use it to replace my TI-83. Maybe. I'm not sure I want my calculator showing an alert about what my friends are doing tonight when I'm trying to focus.
stdbrouw 15y ago
Actually, I started working on something like this last week, as a pet project to keep me busy. In essence, what you need is a basic programming language that's geared a little bit more towards mathematics (so you can do little things like 2log(n) instead of 2 * log(n) and actually use π as a constant instead of something like Math.PI), a REPL and a way to graph functions. That's feature equivalence, and that's easy. The cool part is when you start thinking about how to innovate on top of that. Then you can add things like: * the ability to display and remember the results of a whole range of calculations on a single screen instead of always having to write stuff down or bring back old calculations, e.g. http://stuff.stdout.be/graphcalc.png http://stuff.stdout.be/graphcalc.png (think iPad app) * the ability for teachers to follow along on their own screen as you're doing calculations, to help out, maybe even allow teachers to take over control (remotely) to show stuff * save calculations and make little reports, which could serve as homework * slowly learn general-purpose programming along the way, simply by having the thing based off a language like CoffeeScript instead of Texas Instruments' own half-assed TI-BASIC. * extensions for physics and chemistry, so it's not just about math I don't know if it'd really make sense as a startup (tablets are still too expensive and the nice thing about graphing calculators is that they're small and people can't browse the internet on them) but the whole "let's try to reinvent some ancient technology using modern tools" thing is pretty fun. If anybody else is looking for a weekend hack project, I'd gladly open-source what I have thus far.
- dgallagher 15y ago
  Frankly if you replicate the TI-83's layout in a GUI, and emulate its OS, and sell it for $10 on the App Store, you'd make millions. Any student carrying around an iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad would gladly pay that, rather than $100 for a new bulky TI-83, and use that in school instead. Makes their lives simpler by only having a single device. Replicating the interface is key. From my experience, most teachers were horribly confused if someone brought in a TI-89 or, forbid, a TI-92. Why? Different UI that they don't know. You can't teach students how to use their calculator unless you know how to use it yourself. After, you can add in all sorts of extra features like you mentioned. But "A TI-83 that runs on iOS" is probably the first feature that people will pay for. It does bring up the issue of students cheating on tests, using their iOS "calculators", but last time I checked it's not too hard to hide notes on your TI-83 either... It's an idea I've had for an iOS app for a while, but don't have the time to dedicate to it (working on something else).
  - Wilya 15y ago
    The presence of a network connectivity on an iPhone (or even an iPod Touch) is a bigger problem than the ability to put notes in it. Notes are just a basic help, while the full answer is a different matter.
zokier 15y ago
You cannot use general purpose device like tablet/smartphone in tests. I think more realistic market would be a integrated teaching and exam environment for desktop computers (yeah, those things still exist), with necessary math functionality built-in, but intentionally limited enough for educational purposes. edit: I feel this is bit relevant: http://www.ted.com/talks/conrad_wolfram_teaching_kids_real_math_with_computers.html http://www.ted.com/talks/conrad_wolfram_teaching_kids_real_m...

by jal278 15y ago

lukeschlather 15y ago

Show me a $70 smartphone that can run for months on a single charge, looks fine without a backlight, and has instant response time, and I'll use it to replace my TI-83. Maybe. I'm not sure I want my calculator showing an alert about what my friends are doing tonight when I'm trying to focus.

stdbrouw 15y ago

Actually, I started working on something like this last week, as a pet project to keep me busy. In essence, what you need is a basic programming language that's geared a little bit more towards mathematics (so you can do little things like 2log(n) instead of 2 * log(n) and actually use π as a constant instead of something like Math.PI), a REPL and a way to graph functions. That's feature equivalence, and that's easy. The cool part is when you start thinking about how to innovate on top of that. Then you can add things like: * the ability to display and remember the results of a whole range of calculations on a single screen instead of always having to write stuff down or bring back old calculations, e.g. http://stuff.stdout.be/graphcalc.png http://stuff.stdout.be/graphcalc.png (think iPad app) * the ability for teachers to follow along on their own screen as you're doing calculations, to help out, maybe even allow teachers to take over control (remotely) to show stuff * save calculations and make little reports, which could serve as homework * slowly learn general-purpose programming along the way, simply by having the thing based off a language like CoffeeScript instead of Texas Instruments' own half-assed TI-BASIC. * extensions for physics and chemistry, so it's not just about math I don't know if it'd really make sense as a startup (tablets are still too expensive and the nice thing about graphing calculators is that they're small and people can't browse the internet on them) but the whole "let's try to reinvent some ancient technology using modern tools" thing is pretty fun. If anybody else is looking for a weekend hack project, I'd gladly open-source what I have thus far.

dgallagher 15y ago
Frankly if you replicate the TI-83's layout in a GUI, and emulate its OS, and sell it for $10 on the App Store, you'd make millions. Any student carrying around an iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad would gladly pay that, rather than $100 for a new bulky TI-83, and use that in school instead. Makes their lives simpler by only having a single device. Replicating the interface is key. From my experience, most teachers were horribly confused if someone brought in a TI-89 or, forbid, a TI-92. Why? Different UI that they don't know. You can't teach students how to use their calculator unless you know how to use it yourself. After, you can add in all sorts of extra features like you mentioned. But "A TI-83 that runs on iOS" is probably the first feature that people will pay for. It does bring up the issue of students cheating on tests, using their iOS "calculators", but last time I checked it's not too hard to hide notes on your TI-83 either... It's an idea I've had for an iOS app for a while, but don't have the time to dedicate to it (working on something else).
- Wilya 15y ago
  The presence of a network connectivity on an iPhone (or even an iPod Touch) is a bigger problem than the ability to put notes in it. Notes are just a basic help, while the full answer is a different matter.

zokier 15y ago

You cannot use general purpose device like tablet/smartphone in tests. I think more realistic market would be a integrated teaching and exam environment for desktop computers (yeah, those things still exist), with necessary math functionality built-in, but intentionally limited enough for educational purposes. edit: I feel this is bit relevant: http://www.ted.com/talks/conrad_wolfram_teaching_kids_real_math_with_computers.html http://www.ted.com/talks/conrad_wolfram_teaching_kids_real_m...