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It seems kind of crazy that for that amount, you could hire excellent full-time private tutors at a 4:1 student to teacher ratio. I know a number of parents who

It seems kind of crazy that for that amount, you could hire excellent full-time private tutors at a 4:1 student to teacher ratio. I know a number of parents who felt that their kids got a much better educational experience through COVID "pods" thanks to the drastically smaller class size, but they had to pay for it out of pocket. But since it appears to cost the same amount, why not offer that as a publicly funded option?

Iefthandrule 5y ago
You are paying for education, transportation, and food. Are you sure privatizing that is a comparable price tag? I would like to see some evidence.
- pseudo0 5y ago
  With the COVID pods, parents would handle food (often not provided by public schools anyways), transportation, and providing a location to teach. From talking to people in those situations though, the main cost was by far the tutor or instructor. Dropping the kids off or loaning out your dining room is pretty trivial compared to $1-2k per child per month in tutoring fees. Again though, I suggested adding it as a publicly funded option, not making it mandatory. If parents preferred a traditional school, they could do that instead. My point was that we could support alternative models like this with existing public funding, and it would benefit the children who perform better in a small classroom environment.
  - Iefthandrule 5y ago
    The annual cost cited earlier is not referring to COVID pods, so I would like evidence that the cost is comparable long-term.
    - pseudo0 5y ago
      Okay, taking Baltimore as an example, if you have a pod with five children, that's a total budget of $100k for the year. From some quick googling, Baltimore teachers have an average salary of just over $60k, but let's make it say $80k for a tutor to include the value of teacher benefits. That leaves a $20k cushion for food, field trips, classroom supplies, etc. This basic structure is something that homeschoolers have been doing for decades as well, with $0 government assistance. In that case, you typically have a co-op arrangement where the parents share teaching duties for a small group of children. It's difficult but possible, and government funding would go a long way towards making those sorts of models accessible to more families. Right now it virtually requires a parent working part-time, which is something a lot of households struggle to afford.
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ummonk 5y ago
Quality private tutors for only 64k salary?
- pseudo0 5y ago
  I had the Baltimore number of $20k cited above in mind, which would be $80k per year. Or a 5:1 ratio with $16k per year would also work out to $80k per year for the tutor. My point is that a pod-like structure would be financially viable with equivalent government funding. You can quibble over the "excellent" part I suppose, but that is on par or better than comparable teacher salaries in most of the country. Also I'd imagine it's a lot more pleasant to teach 4-5 students than 25-30.
Volundr 5y ago
I'm intrigued by this option but also doubtful. If the going rate for a high quality tutor to teach 4 now is $43/student a day or approximately ~$21/hour assuming an 8 hour day (I'll take this at face value, I have no way of verifying it), what does the cost become when the demand goes up due to doing this for every student across the country? Essentially this means multiplying our teaching staff by roughly ~8x. Also what qualifications does a "high quality tutor" have vs a teacher? Does this including learning supplies, books, computers, etc? It also doesn't seem like it answers the question of where this teaching happens or how the students get there. Our current classrooms definitely aren't set up for this.

Iefthandrule 5y ago

You are paying for education, transportation, and food. Are you sure privatizing that is a comparable price tag? I would like to see some evidence.

pseudo0 5y ago
With the COVID pods, parents would handle food (often not provided by public schools anyways), transportation, and providing a location to teach. From talking to people in those situations though, the main cost was by far the tutor or instructor. Dropping the kids off or loaning out your dining room is pretty trivial compared to $1-2k per child per month in tutoring fees. Again though, I suggested adding it as a publicly funded option, not making it mandatory. If parents preferred a traditional school, they could do that instead. My point was that we could support alternative models like this with existing public funding, and it would benefit the children who perform better in a small classroom environment.
- Iefthandrule 5y ago
  The annual cost cited earlier is not referring to COVID pods, so I would like evidence that the cost is comparable long-term.
  - pseudo0 5y ago
    Okay, taking Baltimore as an example, if you have a pod with five children, that's a total budget of $100k for the year. From some quick googling, Baltimore teachers have an average salary of just over $60k, but let's make it say $80k for a tutor to include the value of teacher benefits. That leaves a $20k cushion for food, field trips, classroom supplies, etc. This basic structure is something that homeschoolers have been doing for decades as well, with $0 government assistance. In that case, you typically have a co-op arrangement where the parents share teaching duties for a small group of children. It's difficult but possible, and government funding would go a long way towards making those sorts of models accessible to more families. Right now it virtually requires a parent working part-time, which is something a lot of households struggle to afford.
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ummonk 5y ago

Quality private tutors for only 64k salary?

pseudo0 5y ago
I had the Baltimore number of $20k cited above in mind, which would be $80k per year. Or a 5:1 ratio with $16k per year would also work out to $80k per year for the tutor. My point is that a pod-like structure would be financially viable with equivalent government funding. You can quibble over the "excellent" part I suppose, but that is on par or better than comparable teacher salaries in most of the country. Also I'd imagine it's a lot more pleasant to teach 4-5 students than 25-30.

Volundr 5y ago

I'm intrigued by this option but also doubtful. If the going rate for a high quality tutor to teach 4 now is $43/student a day or approximately ~$21/hour assuming an 8 hour day (I'll take this at face value, I have no way of verifying it), what does the cost become when the demand goes up due to doing this for every student across the country? Essentially this means multiplying our teaching staff by roughly ~8x. Also what qualifications does a "high quality tutor" have vs a teacher? Does this including learning supplies, books, computers, etc? It also doesn't seem like it answers the question of where this teaching happens or how the students get there. Our current classrooms definitely aren't set up for this.