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Nobody can answer this question unless you tell us what kind of concepts and libraries you are writing. Sometimes Rust is handcuffs, sometimes it is guardrails

Nobody can answer this question unless you tell us what kind of concepts and libraries you are writing. Sometimes Rust is handcuffs, sometimes it is guardrails, sometimes it is a rollercoaster track. It is impossible to tell without more information. You and the other guys are asserting things with basically no knowledge of the other's context.

auggierose 5y ago
If you say that "Rust sometimes is guardrails, sometimes it is handcuffs, sometimes it is a rollercoaster", that is already a lot of information. That's exactly what I want to avoid when implementing a concept: I don't want to be dependent on how well the type system fits my concept, because I am dealing with all sorts of concepts.
- rackjack 5y ago
  Ok. Sometimes Rust fits good, sometimes it fits bad. If you don't want to deal with that, that's fine. I don't want to deal with memory leaks and stuff, so I use Rust instead of C/C++ when low-level, and I deal with the bad fits. I'd still recommend learning Rust though. I find the way (the clean ways, not the ugly ways like Weak/Cell/etc.) it forces you to structure your programs is a very useful pattern when dealing with unrigid code like in C or C++, since its performance is near those languages. Then when coding C/C++ you can just break out of that pattern when you need to (e.g. self-referential structs). BTW, what languages do you usually work with? I've been eyeing up Zig since it's nearly adjacent to C, but I'm waiting until stabilization.
  - auggierose 5y ago
    I am working mostly in Swift these days, and some Metal C for GPU and GPGPU. If Swift and SwiftUI both also ran in the browser, that would meet my needs. I need to break out of that Apple silo though for an important project of mine, so I am looking for alternatives. I was looking at zig, too! It seems very promising, and comptime seems like a great idea. I am considering both Rust and Zig for generating libraries in WebAssembly. I think I will mostly go with TypeScript for my project, it seems undogmatic and highly productive, and Turbo Pascal was my second language after Quick Basic, so I like its origins :-)

auggierose 5y ago

If you say that "Rust sometimes is guardrails, sometimes it is handcuffs, sometimes it is a rollercoaster", that is already a lot of information. That's exactly what I want to avoid when implementing a concept: I don't want to be dependent on how well the type system fits my concept, because I am dealing with all sorts of concepts.

rackjack 5y ago
Ok. Sometimes Rust fits good, sometimes it fits bad. If you don't want to deal with that, that's fine. I don't want to deal with memory leaks and stuff, so I use Rust instead of C/C++ when low-level, and I deal with the bad fits. I'd still recommend learning Rust though. I find the way (the clean ways, not the ugly ways like Weak/Cell/etc.) it forces you to structure your programs is a very useful pattern when dealing with unrigid code like in C or C++, since its performance is near those languages. Then when coding C/C++ you can just break out of that pattern when you need to (e.g. self-referential structs). BTW, what languages do you usually work with? I've been eyeing up Zig since it's nearly adjacent to C, but I'm waiting until stabilization.
- auggierose 5y ago
  I am working mostly in Swift these days, and some Metal C for GPU and GPGPU. If Swift and SwiftUI both also ran in the browser, that would meet my needs. I need to break out of that Apple silo though for an important project of mine, so I am looking for alternatives. I was looking at zig, too! It seems very promising, and comptime seems like a great idea. I am considering both Rust and Zig for generating libraries in WebAssembly. I think I will mostly go with TypeScript for my project, it seems undogmatic and highly productive, and Turbo Pascal was my second language after Quick Basic, so I like its origins :-)