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Sorry to point out that it seems to be a loud and stupid majority, as their side won the referendum 52% to 48%. (western European here)

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
So just because 52% voted leave, you assume all of those who did, did it because they had something against Eastern European immigrants? That's preposterous. The funny and insanely ironic thing is, I know many Eastern European and other immigrants in the UK who became British citizens and also voted to leave just to thin out the competition they faced for jobs and real estate. They had nothing against any nationality, but their narrow minded views and primitive survival instincts kicked in knowing there are many like them out there wanting to immigrate just as they did before and made them pull the ladder after them since they assumed that less immigration will give them more leverage in the future. The irony is not lost on me, but people are rarely rational when voting and mostly do it on emotions.
- abraxas 5y ago
  Most EE immigrants did not get British citizenship because there was no need for them to bother. I call BS on this anecdote of yours. I personally know dozens caught in the Brexit mess and of those who were able to vote in the referendum not one voted leave.
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    >Most EE immigrants did not get British citizenship because there was no need for them to bother. "Need" in what way? Sure they didn't need it to live and work there, but traveling with a British Passport gives you way more liberties abroad and less discrimination than some EE ones (I lost count on how often police, public and private institutions in Western Europe would treat me like shit when I showed my EE ID vs my friends with Western nationalities). And since getting a British Passport is basically a ruber stamp once you satisfy all conditions (which are very simple to meet) and it doesn't force you to renounce your existing nationality like some other countries do, most got it as their second passport. I think a lot of people underestimate the value of having a powerful passport and what a difference that can make on your experience as a foreigner abroad (and inland as well).
- throwawaymanbot 5y ago
  Yeaaaaaa riiiiiiight. Haven’t you got anything better to do Mr. Farage?

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

So just because 52% voted leave, you assume all of those who did, did it because they had something against Eastern European immigrants? That's preposterous. The funny and insanely ironic thing is, I know many Eastern European and other immigrants in the UK who became British citizens and also voted to leave just to thin out the competition they faced for jobs and real estate. They had nothing against any nationality, but their narrow minded views and primitive survival instincts kicked in knowing there are many like them out there wanting to immigrate just as they did before and made them pull the ladder after them since they assumed that less immigration will give them more leverage in the future. The irony is not lost on me, but people are rarely rational when voting and mostly do it on emotions.

abraxas 5y ago
Most EE immigrants did not get British citizenship because there was no need for them to bother. I call BS on this anecdote of yours. I personally know dozens caught in the Brexit mess and of those who were able to vote in the referendum not one voted leave.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  >Most EE immigrants did not get British citizenship because there was no need for them to bother. "Need" in what way? Sure they didn't need it to live and work there, but traveling with a British Passport gives you way more liberties abroad and less discrimination than some EE ones (I lost count on how often police, public and private institutions in Western Europe would treat me like shit when I showed my EE ID vs my friends with Western nationalities). And since getting a British Passport is basically a ruber stamp once you satisfy all conditions (which are very simple to meet) and it doesn't force you to renounce your existing nationality like some other countries do, most got it as their second passport. I think a lot of people underestimate the value of having a powerful passport and what a difference that can make on your experience as a foreigner abroad (and inland as well).
throwawaymanbot 5y ago
Yeaaaaaa riiiiiiight. Haven’t you got anything better to do Mr. Farage?