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This is not a nice comment and a rather reliable way to either get your comments downvoted, flagged or to get your account banned eventually. There are some gui

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chana_masala 5y ago
Could you specifically call out what is wrong? I fail to see it other than you being offended by the commenter's view
- _Microft 5y ago
  Generalizing to all US americans and implying that they are not 'normal' compared to the rest of the world is certainly not nice, is it? And I say that as someone who isn't even directly addressed by that statement.
  - coryrc 5y ago
    In the US, truth is a defense for libel. It would be correct to generalize North Koreans aren't normal due to shared trauma. Living in the US but having traveled overseas, the US seems to have its own traumas.
    - spiderice 5y ago
      This isn't a court of law. And legal definitions aren't super relevant in day to day conversation. You could say any country isn't "normal" compared to the rest of the world, and then find some "true" way of defending it. That doesn't make it nice though.
      - coryrc 5y ago
        Tone policing is used to reinforce the status quo. It's not nice to talk about the crimes someone is abetting; how many dead in Iraq due to the unnecessary invasion? The 40,000 US citizens who die every year from automobiles? The hundred thousand innocents dead because some people won't wear masks? It's certainly reasonable to suppose people of the unchallenged world superpower 1992-2019 are not normal.
        spiderice 5y ago
        You legitimately just proved my point. As I said, you can say any country is not normal and be correct, because every country is unique. Just reread my previous comment. Your response makes no sense in relation to it
  - ordiel 5y ago
    And the following is literally the first paragraph on the article: "Glass can be recycled infinitely without losing any of its properties. Why, then, are most countries — with the exception of those in Europe " Thanks for serving as the perfect excample to the type of attitude I was referring to
    - _Microft 5y ago
      So far I thought you were talking about perceived higher risks because of liability in the US which you thought were unwarranted because a bottle that survives refilling would also survive normal handling by customers (+language that deterred from your point which I critized). Now I don’t know what attitude you are talking about.
      - ordiel 5y ago
        A bit of internet collective wisdom borrowed from the highly reputable source of reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/22j0n6/why_do_americans_sue_for_everything/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/22j0n6/why_do_am... The attitude I am referring to is that of when people having it too good need to find something to complain about insted of brushing off a generalization (which as most stereotypes is based on factual bases) Based on the snarky-ness of the article favoring "the greatness" of European nations (compared to the rest of the world), maybe I should have said "not in the US, where 'most' will sue you for looking wrong at them"
        ordiel 5y ago
        As a side not suporting my case, haven't you seen how many post here in HN talk about "patent trolls"; and why all (oh excuse me, most) of those are actually talking about America? Maybe "slide to unlock" rings a bell? You dont see those type of things in, lets say, Brazil or Mexico (where I am from) since in case the bottle has an anomaly you go back to the counter and they would just say... "Oh sorry about that, here is a new one", you know... Being civil, instead of keeping it as a "golden ticket" to take it to the court. Why, because people realizes that the coca-cola truck may have it a bump a bit too hard and that just life, we know it and we just go on with it...
- asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
  "Be kind. Don't be snarky." Tough to do since we are all so used to an internet where snark is the most common form of communication. But it's worth trying! I find being less snarky can actually do more than just make your comment "nicer:" it can actually affect your mindset in a way that I think is positive.
- spiderice 5y ago
  > In the US, where they will sue you for looking wrong This is not true, and is clearly meant as a jab > In the rest of the world where people are normal Once again, a jab. Also "snarky" and "sneering", which are both mentioned in the HN commenting guidelines. If you rewrite the comment in question, removing the first couple of sentences, it is a great comment. The jabs are just unnecessary hyperbole. > Considering that if the glass is already fragile it will either crack during cleaning or while being transported. If the bottle can handle being clinking on the bands while being filled up, I am sure it can stand being on the fragile hands of some folks

chana_masala 5y ago

Could you specifically call out what is wrong? I fail to see it other than you being offended by the commenter's view

_Microft 5y ago
Generalizing to all US americans and implying that they are not 'normal' compared to the rest of the world is certainly not nice, is it? And I say that as someone who isn't even directly addressed by that statement.
- coryrc 5y ago
  In the US, truth is a defense for libel. It would be correct to generalize North Koreans aren't normal due to shared trauma. Living in the US but having traveled overseas, the US seems to have its own traumas.
  - spiderice 5y ago
    This isn't a court of law. And legal definitions aren't super relevant in day to day conversation. You could say any country isn't "normal" compared to the rest of the world, and then find some "true" way of defending it. That doesn't make it nice though.
    - coryrc 5y ago
      Tone policing is used to reinforce the status quo. It's not nice to talk about the crimes someone is abetting; how many dead in Iraq due to the unnecessary invasion? The 40,000 US citizens who die every year from automobiles? The hundred thousand innocents dead because some people won't wear masks? It's certainly reasonable to suppose people of the unchallenged world superpower 1992-2019 are not normal.
      - spiderice 5y ago
        You legitimately just proved my point. As I said, you can say any country is not normal and be correct, because every country is unique. Just reread my previous comment. Your response makes no sense in relation to it
- ordiel 5y ago
  And the following is literally the first paragraph on the article: "Glass can be recycled infinitely without losing any of its properties. Why, then, are most countries — with the exception of those in Europe " Thanks for serving as the perfect excample to the type of attitude I was referring to
  - _Microft 5y ago
    So far I thought you were talking about perceived higher risks because of liability in the US which you thought were unwarranted because a bottle that survives refilling would also survive normal handling by customers (+language that deterred from your point which I critized). Now I don’t know what attitude you are talking about.
    - ordiel 5y ago
      A bit of internet collective wisdom borrowed from the highly reputable source of reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/22j0n6/why_do_americans_sue_for_everything/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/22j0n6/why_do_am... The attitude I am referring to is that of when people having it too good need to find something to complain about insted of brushing off a generalization (which as most stereotypes is based on factual bases) Based on the snarky-ness of the article favoring "the greatness" of European nations (compared to the rest of the world), maybe I should have said "not in the US, where 'most' will sue you for looking wrong at them"
      - ordiel 5y ago
        As a side not suporting my case, haven't you seen how many post here in HN talk about "patent trolls"; and why all (oh excuse me, most) of those are actually talking about America? Maybe "slide to unlock" rings a bell? You dont see those type of things in, lets say, Brazil or Mexico (where I am from) since in case the bottle has an anomaly you go back to the counter and they would just say... "Oh sorry about that, here is a new one", you know... Being civil, instead of keeping it as a "golden ticket" to take it to the court. Why, because people realizes that the coca-cola truck may have it a bump a bit too hard and that just life, we know it and we just go on with it...
asdfasgasdgasdg 5y ago
"Be kind. Don't be snarky." Tough to do since we are all so used to an internet where snark is the most common form of communication. But it's worth trying! I find being less snarky can actually do more than just make your comment "nicer:" it can actually affect your mindset in a way that I think is positive.
spiderice 5y ago
> In the US, where they will sue you for looking wrong This is not true, and is clearly meant as a jab > In the rest of the world where people are normal Once again, a jab. Also "snarky" and "sneering", which are both mentioned in the HN commenting guidelines. If you rewrite the comment in question, removing the first couple of sentences, it is a great comment. The jabs are just unnecessary hyperbole. > Considering that if the glass is already fragile it will either crack during cleaning or while being transported. If the bottle can handle being clinking on the bands while being filled up, I am sure it can stand being on the fragile hands of some folks