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Sure, vaccines have reduced deaths...for now. Except, have they? Not really. [1] See the bump between July and November? That was after mass vaccination. That

Sure, vaccines have reduced deaths...for now. Except, have they? Not really. [1] See the bump between July and November? That was after mass vaccination. That begs the question: what happens when their efficacy wears off, as it appears to do? It's not a flat-earth level of denialism. It's taking into account all factors, and in science, all factors matter. [2] [1]: https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/ https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spr... [2]: https://gavinhoward.com/2020/08/in-science-all-factors-matter/ https://gavinhoward.com/2020/08/in-science-all-factors-matte...

p49k 5y ago
> have they? Yes, they certainly have. Look at the ratio of cases to deaths in the data from countries where people generally believe in science and are accurately measuring data: Canada, Germany, Israel, France, etc. Look at Portugal, with the highest vaccination rate in Europe and see how there are 3-6 deaths/day despite a resurgence in cases. The US has a low vaccination rate, and is in complete disarray regarding COVID (in many cases simply due to the fact that each state has its own policies/problems), but most modern countries are carefully balancing policy to keep ICUs at a manageable rate.
- ghoward 5y ago
  > most modern countries are carefully balancing policy to keep ICUs at a manageable rate. Why not allow nurses and doctors to be unvaccinated and "keep ICU's at a manageable rate"? Also, Israel was first to acknowledge the waning effect of vaccines. And for Portugal, when was their vaccination campaign? Was it less than 6 months ago? If so, the vaccines have not worn off yet.