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> complicated The snippet GP mentioned includes only shell functions, invocations of restic, and echo commands. How could it be simpler?

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cvs268 5y ago
simple/fun vs. complicated/scary depends on the target user. Simple for someone who is comfortable with the terminal. Scary for those who are oyherwise familiar with GUIs only.
- bccdee 5y ago
  Sure, but if I'm not comfortable with the terminal, I probably shouldn't be too loud with my criticisms of shell scripts.
  - kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
    It just seems a pity that knowledge of shell scripts is necessary to do backups.
    - bccdee 5y ago
      Yeah I bet there are good GUI tools out there, but I always want to go for the stuff I can script myself, so I can hook desktop notifications into it and such. It makes it hard for me to recommend backup tools to the non-technical people in my life, because they're looking for GUI solutions with the corners rounded off, and I want something crunchy and scriptable.
kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
With a GUI. I think it could also be less error prone if the user interface guides through the configuration.
- ccakes 5y ago
  Then it’s less scriptable. Many of us would prefer a CLI-based solution for that reason
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  - xook 5y ago
    It doesn't have to be one or the other. The GUI would be for one-off or intermittent usage, and the CLI program would still come in as the primary tool for scripting or recurring use.
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- gnubison 5y ago
  Would it really be simpler to have 100 lines of GUI setup and tear down, obscuring the most important part (the commands being run)?
  - kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
    Depending on the GUI, it seems possible. You can also verify input in a GUI
  - Dudeman112 5y ago
    Both sounds good as opposed to instead. GUIs for simple stuff and 99% of the population, CLIs for hackermans who need the advanced stuff.
- nsv 5y ago
  You won't find much support for an opinion like that on a site named "hacker" news, haha. A lot of backup services (tarsnap comes to mind) prioritize scriptability, as I imagine many people run backups from cron or a systemd timer.
jcelerier 5y ago
I'd personally put the threshold for "complicated" at "do you need a keyboard to be able to use it". So it's pretty complicated.
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cvs268 5y ago

simple/fun vs. complicated/scary depends on the target user. Simple for someone who is comfortable with the terminal. Scary for those who are oyherwise familiar with GUIs only.

bccdee 5y ago
Sure, but if I'm not comfortable with the terminal, I probably shouldn't be too loud with my criticisms of shell scripts.
- kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
  It just seems a pity that knowledge of shell scripts is necessary to do backups.
  - bccdee 5y ago
    Yeah I bet there are good GUI tools out there, but I always want to go for the stuff I can script myself, so I can hook desktop notifications into it and such. It makes it hard for me to recommend backup tools to the non-technical people in my life, because they're looking for GUI solutions with the corners rounded off, and I want something crunchy and scriptable.

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago

With a GUI. I think it could also be less error prone if the user interface guides through the configuration.

ccakes 5y ago
Then it’s less scriptable. Many of us would prefer a CLI-based solution for that reason
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- xook 5y ago
  It doesn't have to be one or the other. The GUI would be for one-off or intermittent usage, and the CLI program would still come in as the primary tool for scripting or recurring use.
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gnubison 5y ago
Would it really be simpler to have 100 lines of GUI setup and tear down, obscuring the most important part (the commands being run)?
- kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
  Depending on the GUI, it seems possible. You can also verify input in a GUI
- Dudeman112 5y ago
  Both sounds good as opposed to instead. GUIs for simple stuff and 99% of the population, CLIs for hackermans who need the advanced stuff.
nsv 5y ago
You won't find much support for an opinion like that on a site named "hacker" news, haha. A lot of backup services (tarsnap comes to mind) prioritize scriptability, as I imagine many people run backups from cron or a systemd timer.

jcelerier 5y ago

I'd personally put the threshold for "complicated" at "do you need a keyboard to be able to use it". So it's pretty complicated.

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