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> have you seen the new psyop where vaccine holdouts now get the shot but believe they can quickly remove it, similar to reacting to venom? I’ve been starting t

> have you seen the new psyop where vaccine holdouts now get the shot but believe they can quickly remove it, similar to reacting to venom? I’ve been starting to think of things like that at their level of comprehension. I’m getting better at it. Will be procedurally generating this benign nonsense soon. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with anything you're saying here, but more and more I wish I had some kind of debugger that I could run on internet comments, and it would show me all of the inputs that a commenter saw that led to the comment in question. All the various social media threads, conversations with friends/family/doctors, published papers, news articles, every single input that factored into what was written. I say this because this comment to me seems like nonsense, because it doesn't line up with any of my inputs. Which of course doesn't mean it actually is nonsense, it just looks that way to me. I think if we had this capability, people would actually be able to understand each other. Instead we just have everyone thinking that the sum of their own inputs is the ground truth, and everyone else is a nutjob.

vmception 5y ago
Haha Ive been advocating for something similar! And by advocating, I mean saving what people say and bringing it up to them months later for public shaming, to reveal how idiotic their influences are. Because right now everyone is just part of a gradient in a void, indistinguishable from the last person that said something similar to them.
- ifyoubuildit 5y ago
  I personally think that shaming is mostly counterproductive. For it to be the right move, you have to 1) know you are 100% correct, and 2) have a pressing need to alter the persons behavior/understanding, and 3) know that shaming is the most effective way to achieve the result. Without those 3 things, I think there is a good chance that you're just antagonizing someone for little benefit to you or them.
  - vmception 5y ago
    It is applicable here as many of the conspiracies are time constrained, but by the time the event doesn't occur the person susceptible to believing that stuff is already being led on to the next variant without even noticing what happened with the last thing Doing a callback without offering any opinion or arguments helps them introspect about how incongruent their world is with reality. “<person that died while with covid> was still doing research?” “The last president didn’t get reinstated?” “I like hooking up with antivaxxers because you only have to pay child support for 5 years instead of 18. the mom/baby will still be doing research(tm)”

vmception 5y ago

Haha Ive been advocating for something similar! And by advocating, I mean saving what people say and bringing it up to them months later for public shaming, to reveal how idiotic their influences are. Because right now everyone is just part of a gradient in a void, indistinguishable from the last person that said something similar to them.

ifyoubuildit 5y ago
I personally think that shaming is mostly counterproductive. For it to be the right move, you have to 1) know you are 100% correct, and 2) have a pressing need to alter the persons behavior/understanding, and 3) know that shaming is the most effective way to achieve the result. Without those 3 things, I think there is a good chance that you're just antagonizing someone for little benefit to you or them.
- vmception 5y ago
  It is applicable here as many of the conspiracies are time constrained, but by the time the event doesn't occur the person susceptible to believing that stuff is already being led on to the next variant without even noticing what happened with the last thing Doing a callback without offering any opinion or arguments helps them introspect about how incongruent their world is with reality. “<person that died while with covid> was still doing research?” “The last president didn’t get reinstated?” “I like hooking up with antivaxxers because you only have to pay child support for 5 years instead of 18. the mom/baby will still be doing research(tm)”