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I agree with you that people who have proven to already have antibodies should not be required to get a vaccine. That is a compromise that probably would have a

by p49k 5y ago

I agree with you that people who have proven to already have antibodies should not be required to get a vaccine. That is a compromise that probably would have already happened if there wasn't a constant stream of insanity from antivaxxers clouding the ability to have normal, nuanced discussions about policy. Instead, the front lines of debate are on 5G causing COVID, microchips, space lasers, and comparisons of vaccine mandates to the holocaust. But the data showing that mass-vaccination has reduced deaths and kept ICUs from overflowing is so blatantly obvious that you have to be exercising willful ignorance to not accept it. It's basically flat-earth level of denialism. You can see the direct correlation between vaccination rates and deaths/ICU intakes by looking at the data.

ghoward 5y ago
Sure, vaccines have reduced deaths...for now. Except, have they? Not really. [1] See the bump between July and November? That was after mass vaccination. That begs the question: what happens when their efficacy wears off, as it appears to do? It's not a flat-earth level of denialism. It's taking into account all factors, and in science, all factors matter. [2] [1]: https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/ https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spr... [2]: https://gavinhoward.com/2020/08/in-science-all-factors-matter/ https://gavinhoward.com/2020/08/in-science-all-factors-matte...
- p49k 5y ago
  > have they? Yes, they certainly have. Look at the ratio of cases to deaths in the data from countries where people generally believe in science and are accurately measuring data: Canada, Germany, Israel, France, etc. Look at Portugal, with the highest vaccination rate in Europe and see how there are 3-6 deaths/day despite a resurgence in cases. The US has a low vaccination rate, and is in complete disarray regarding COVID (in many cases simply due to the fact that each state has its own policies/problems), but most modern countries are carefully balancing policy to keep ICUs at a manageable rate.
  - ghoward 5y ago
    > most modern countries are carefully balancing policy to keep ICUs at a manageable rate. Why not allow nurses and doctors to be unvaccinated and "keep ICU's at a manageable rate"? Also, Israel was first to acknowledge the waning effect of vaccines. And for Portugal, when was their vaccination campaign? Was it less than 6 months ago? If so, the vaccines have not worn off yet.

by p49k 5y ago

ghoward 5y ago

Sure, vaccines have reduced deaths...for now. Except, have they? Not really. [1] See the bump between July and November? That was after mass vaccination. That begs the question: what happens when their efficacy wears off, as it appears to do? It's not a flat-earth level of denialism. It's taking into account all factors, and in science, all factors matter. [2] [1]: https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/ https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spr... [2]: https://gavinhoward.com/2020/08/in-science-all-factors-matter/ https://gavinhoward.com/2020/08/in-science-all-factors-matte...

p49k 5y ago
> have they? Yes, they certainly have. Look at the ratio of cases to deaths in the data from countries where people generally believe in science and are accurately measuring data: Canada, Germany, Israel, France, etc. Look at Portugal, with the highest vaccination rate in Europe and see how there are 3-6 deaths/day despite a resurgence in cases. The US has a low vaccination rate, and is in complete disarray regarding COVID (in many cases simply due to the fact that each state has its own policies/problems), but most modern countries are carefully balancing policy to keep ICUs at a manageable rate.
- ghoward 5y ago
  > most modern countries are carefully balancing policy to keep ICUs at a manageable rate. Why not allow nurses and doctors to be unvaccinated and "keep ICU's at a manageable rate"? Also, Israel was first to acknowledge the waning effect of vaccines. And for Portugal, when was their vaccination campaign? Was it less than 6 months ago? If so, the vaccines have not worn off yet.