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My understanding is that the incidence of myocarditis is much higher in a COVID infection than from any of the vaccines.

gfosco 5y ago
Any source available on this?
- aemreunal 5y ago
  You can easily find sources with a simple Google search. I searched for "myocarditis risk of covid vs covid vaccine" and the second organic result is from Nature [1] and states: > Previous research co-authored by Balicer found that in this age group, becoming infected with SARS-CoV-2 made a person 18 times more likely to develop myocarditis — a much more significant risk than is observed following vaccination. Sources are in the article. You can easily find sources for COVID, please try searching it yourself first. [1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02740-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02740-y
  - beaned 5y ago
    Might depend partly on age as well: "Healthy boys may be more likely to be admitted to hospital with a rare side-effect of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine that causes inflammation of the heart than with Covid itself, US researchers claim." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-r...
    - nojokes 5y ago
      One of the authors, Tracy Beth Høeg, was clearly against any children vaccination way before authoring this biased and heavily criticized paper.
    - goblin89 5y ago
      > Healthy boys may be more likely to be admitted to hospital with a rare side-effect of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine that causes inflammation of the heart than with Covid itself, US researchers claim. Anecdata from another thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29122896 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29122896
- staticassertion 5y ago
  It's hard to Google for sources on this since you just get people talking about the vaccine. Here's something I found: > Across all ages, the risk of myocarditis was almost 16 times higher for people with COVID-19 compared to those who aren’t infected. The myocarditis risk is 37 times higher for infected children under 16 years and seven times higher for infected people ages 16-39 compared to their uninfected peers. https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/16388 https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/16388
  - beaned 5y ago
    That particular quote seems to be comparing infected to non-infected, not infected to vaccinated.
    - staticassertion 5y ago
      Yes, I thought that was clear. That is what I was trying to find.
      - beaned 5y ago
        I see. But I think the question at hand raised by OP is infected vs vaccinated, not infected vs uninfected? > My understanding is that the incidence of myocarditis is much higher in a COVID infection than from any of the vaccines.
        staticassertion 5y ago
        Yes it takes one extra step to answer that question. We have numbers comparing infected to uninfected, and numbers comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated (and presumably uninfected).
vimy 5y ago
Anecdotal: Had covid twice. No heart complaints. Had two vaccine shots. Both times, 10 days after the shot, my heart hurt like hell. Really painful and scary experience. It lasted a couple days and back to normal.
- ahevia 5y ago
  Another Anecdotal: Had COVID once. Heart pain went back to normal after a week of testing negative. No side effects from both vaccine shots. I’m a young male too so I’m in the risk group for these side effects. Sucks folks are experiencing them though. Definitely a scary time.
- Qu3tzal 5y ago
  How would you get vaccinated twice and get covid twice? I thought most countries allowed to do one shot only if you recovered from covid once.
  - vimy 5y ago
    My country doesn’t make that distinction. There was a year inbetween infections.
- mint2 5y ago
  Could you elaborate on the timeline and circumstances of getting Covid twice and getting fully vaccinated? Time line, which vaccines, how did Covid happen? Don’t think I’m questioning it, I’m just surprised so I want to hear more because I thought even getting Covid twice was fairly rare, after all isn’t that a widely held conception by survivors who don’t want vaccinated.
  - vimy 5y ago
    Pfizer. Covid in April 2020. One of my housemates infected me. Vaccines in summer 2021. Second time covid two months after vaccine. My brother, also Pfizer vaccinated, infected me. First time was probably the original strain and second time delta. The second experience was worse, minor breathing problems. I’m early 30s.
Mikeb85 5y ago
But what's the risk profile of Moderna + myocarditis versus Pfizer + breakthrough case (and remember, odds of contracting Covid at all are less than 1) + myocarditis? Any stats on how many 13-29 year olds vaccinated with Pfizer have gotten myocarditis from a breakthrough case specifically?

gfosco 5y ago

Any source available on this?

aemreunal 5y ago
You can easily find sources with a simple Google search. I searched for "myocarditis risk of covid vs covid vaccine" and the second organic result is from Nature [1] and states: > Previous research co-authored by Balicer found that in this age group, becoming infected with SARS-CoV-2 made a person 18 times more likely to develop myocarditis — a much more significant risk than is observed following vaccination. Sources are in the article. You can easily find sources for COVID, please try searching it yourself first. [1]: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02740-y https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02740-y
- beaned 5y ago
  Might depend partly on age as well: "Healthy boys may be more likely to be admitted to hospital with a rare side-effect of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine that causes inflammation of the heart than with Covid itself, US researchers claim." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-r...
  - nojokes 5y ago
    One of the authors, Tracy Beth Høeg, was clearly against any children vaccination way before authoring this biased and heavily criticized paper.
  - goblin89 5y ago
    > Healthy boys may be more likely to be admitted to hospital with a rare side-effect of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid vaccine that causes inflammation of the heart than with Covid itself, US researchers claim. Anecdata from another thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29122896 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29122896
staticassertion 5y ago
It's hard to Google for sources on this since you just get people talking about the vaccine. Here's something I found: > Across all ages, the risk of myocarditis was almost 16 times higher for people with COVID-19 compared to those who aren’t infected. The myocarditis risk is 37 times higher for infected children under 16 years and seven times higher for infected people ages 16-39 compared to their uninfected peers. https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/16388 https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/16388
- beaned 5y ago
  That particular quote seems to be comparing infected to non-infected, not infected to vaccinated.
  - staticassertion 5y ago
    Yes, I thought that was clear. That is what I was trying to find.
    - beaned 5y ago
      I see. But I think the question at hand raised by OP is infected vs vaccinated, not infected vs uninfected? > My understanding is that the incidence of myocarditis is much higher in a COVID infection than from any of the vaccines.
      - staticassertion 5y ago
        Yes it takes one extra step to answer that question. We have numbers comparing infected to uninfected, and numbers comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated (and presumably uninfected).

vimy 5y ago

Anecdotal: Had covid twice. No heart complaints. Had two vaccine shots. Both times, 10 days after the shot, my heart hurt like hell. Really painful and scary experience. It lasted a couple days and back to normal.

ahevia 5y ago
Another Anecdotal: Had COVID once. Heart pain went back to normal after a week of testing negative. No side effects from both vaccine shots. I’m a young male too so I’m in the risk group for these side effects. Sucks folks are experiencing them though. Definitely a scary time.
Qu3tzal 5y ago
How would you get vaccinated twice and get covid twice? I thought most countries allowed to do one shot only if you recovered from covid once.
- vimy 5y ago
  My country doesn’t make that distinction. There was a year inbetween infections.
mint2 5y ago
Could you elaborate on the timeline and circumstances of getting Covid twice and getting fully vaccinated? Time line, which vaccines, how did Covid happen? Don’t think I’m questioning it, I’m just surprised so I want to hear more because I thought even getting Covid twice was fairly rare, after all isn’t that a widely held conception by survivors who don’t want vaccinated.
- vimy 5y ago
  Pfizer. Covid in April 2020. One of my housemates infected me. Vaccines in summer 2021. Second time covid two months after vaccine. My brother, also Pfizer vaccinated, infected me. First time was probably the original strain and second time delta. The second experience was worse, minor breathing problems. I’m early 30s.

Mikeb85 5y ago

But what's the risk profile of Moderna + myocarditis versus Pfizer + breakthrough case (and remember, odds of contracting Covid at all are less than 1) + myocarditis? Any stats on how many 13-29 year olds vaccinated with Pfizer have gotten myocarditis from a breakthrough case specifically?