My point in bringing up the semantics of "natural" was that environmentalism relies on anthropocentrism. That's fine with me but it doesn't seem fine with the e

My point in bringing up the semantics of "natural" was that environmentalism relies on anthropocentrism. That's fine with me but it doesn't seem fine with the environmentalists since they hate humanity and consider it a cancer. > Then at this point some will object that if we haven't fixed it yet, it's because we really can't, because our current politics is actually natural, so we should not even try (showing that the anti-environmentalists can also make use of the natural vs unnatural rhetoric). No one (in this thread) said "we should not even try". The question is how we frame environmentalism. The kind of anti-humanism that is associated with modern environmentalism is not the way to go.