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> Getting a COVID vaccination that 7.000.000.000 shots have been administered to other people (world wide) without any speakable side effects is not a big thing

> Getting a COVID vaccination that 7.000.000.000 shots have been administered to other people (world wide) without any speakable side effects is not a big thing to ask for. If you think that, you haven't been paying attention. Several shots have been halted by countries because of side effects. The FDA recently admitted that they expect about as many kids to get myocarditis as will be saved by the shot if they approve it for kids. VAERS data has shown a jump in reported cases. If you don't think side effects exist, you are in a bubble.

atoav 5y ago
I think you are misrepresenting my statement. I said "without any speakable side effects". You always have to compare potential side effects of a measure against the effects of the things the measure should protect against. Safety belts might be detrimental to saving you life in traffic accidents in a not insignificant percentage of cases (e.g. being trapped in a burning car) – however if you compare it to the likelyhood of dying because you are not using a safety belt the whole thing is miniscule. Many people say they don't want to get vaccinated because they don't know about the long term effects of such a vaccination. But if they were honest they would need to admit that they don't know about the long term effects of getting the virus as well. Not to speak of the real risk to die or destroy your respiratory apartus in the process, in which case worrying about purely hypothetical long term effects seems to be a little delusional. The one minor difference to the safety belt example is that your choice also affects the risk for the rest of society. If you dont wear your safety belt, you don't increase the risk for others in a meaningful way. If you don't vaccinate, you not only do that, but you prolong the pandemic for the rest of society – for what to me looks like a purely symbolic "victory".
- ghoward 5y ago
  > I think you are misrepresenting my statement. I said "without any speakable side effects". > You always have to compare potential side effects of a measure against the effects of the things the measure should protect against. Safety belts might be detrimental to saving you life in traffic accidents in a not insignificant percentage of cases (e.g. being trapped in a burning car) – however if you compare it to the likelyhood of dying because you are not using a safety belt the whole thing is miniscule. And there are still ways to reduce the risk of dying from a seat belt even further. I have a seat belt cutter in my car for a reason. There is no such mitigation for vaccines. > Many people say they don't want to get vaccinated because they don't know about the long term effects of such a vaccination. But if they were honest they would need to admit that they don't know about the long term effects of getting the virus as well. Not to speak of the real risk to die or destroy your respiratory apartus in the process, in which case worrying about purely hypothetical long term effects seems to be a little delusional. Except that viruses tend to get less deadly over time, which we are seeing with Delta. So I can take precautions to reduce the chances of catching COVID, which indirectly reduces my chances of having a long-term side effect of COVID. > The one minor difference to the safety belt example is that your choice also affects the risk for the rest of society. If you dont wear your safety belt, you don't increase the risk for others in a meaningful way. If you don't vaccinate, you not only do that, but you prolong the pandemic for the rest of society – for what to me looks like a purely symbolic "victory". Except that the CDC has admitted [1] that they have no evidence of naturally immune people spreading the virus, while there is copious amounts of evidence that vaccinated people spread the virus. So maybe those who are vaccinated are the ones prolonging the pandemic because they are still spreading it, while those who became naturally immune are not spreading it. Oh, and by the way, not wearing a seat belt does increase the risk of the other people in the car as well as those in other cars involved in an accident. [2] [1]: https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/12/cdc-admits-it-has-no-evidence-of-recovered-covid-patients-spreading-the-virus/ https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/12/cdc-admits-it-has-no-ev... [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKHY69AFstE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKHY69AFstE

atoav 5y ago

I think you are misrepresenting my statement. I said "without any speakable side effects". You always have to compare potential side effects of a measure against the effects of the things the measure should protect against. Safety belts might be detrimental to saving you life in traffic accidents in a not insignificant percentage of cases (e.g. being trapped in a burning car) – however if you compare it to the likelyhood of dying because you are not using a safety belt the whole thing is miniscule. Many people say they don't want to get vaccinated because they don't know about the long term effects of such a vaccination. But if they were honest they would need to admit that they don't know about the long term effects of getting the virus as well. Not to speak of the real risk to die or destroy your respiratory apartus in the process, in which case worrying about purely hypothetical long term effects seems to be a little delusional. The one minor difference to the safety belt example is that your choice also affects the risk for the rest of society. If you dont wear your safety belt, you don't increase the risk for others in a meaningful way. If you don't vaccinate, you not only do that, but you prolong the pandemic for the rest of society – for what to me looks like a purely symbolic "victory".

ghoward 5y ago
> I think you are misrepresenting my statement. I said "without any speakable side effects". > You always have to compare potential side effects of a measure against the effects of the things the measure should protect against. Safety belts might be detrimental to saving you life in traffic accidents in a not insignificant percentage of cases (e.g. being trapped in a burning car) – however if you compare it to the likelyhood of dying because you are not using a safety belt the whole thing is miniscule. And there are still ways to reduce the risk of dying from a seat belt even further. I have a seat belt cutter in my car for a reason. There is no such mitigation for vaccines. > Many people say they don't want to get vaccinated because they don't know about the long term effects of such a vaccination. But if they were honest they would need to admit that they don't know about the long term effects of getting the virus as well. Not to speak of the real risk to die or destroy your respiratory apartus in the process, in which case worrying about purely hypothetical long term effects seems to be a little delusional. Except that viruses tend to get less deadly over time, which we are seeing with Delta. So I can take precautions to reduce the chances of catching COVID, which indirectly reduces my chances of having a long-term side effect of COVID. > The one minor difference to the safety belt example is that your choice also affects the risk for the rest of society. If you dont wear your safety belt, you don't increase the risk for others in a meaningful way. If you don't vaccinate, you not only do that, but you prolong the pandemic for the rest of society – for what to me looks like a purely symbolic "victory". Except that the CDC has admitted [1] that they have no evidence of naturally immune people spreading the virus, while there is copious amounts of evidence that vaccinated people spread the virus. So maybe those who are vaccinated are the ones prolonging the pandemic because they are still spreading it, while those who became naturally immune are not spreading it. Oh, and by the way, not wearing a seat belt does increase the risk of the other people in the car as well as those in other cars involved in an accident. [2] [1]: https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/12/cdc-admits-it-has-no-evidence-of-recovered-covid-patients-spreading-the-virus/ https://thefederalist.com/2021/11/12/cdc-admits-it-has-no-ev... [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKHY69AFstE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKHY69AFstE