If you look at modern, general-purpose languages in order, you get something more like Python, C, Java, C++, C#, VB.net, JS, PHP, Groovy, Ruby, Swift, Perl, Go

If you look at modern, general-purpose languages in order, you get something more like Python, C, Java, C++, C#, VB.net, JS, PHP, Groovy, Ruby, Swift, Perl, Go, Lua, Rust, Lisp That would put it at 14 to 16 depending on your feelings about VB and Perl. Loads of Java people talk about Kotlin, but it's less popular than lisp Google pushes Dart/Flutter, but it's less popular than lisp Even Typescript is rated as less popular than Lisp.