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Im just going to let you figure out this one for yourself.

yonaguska 5y ago
There was no reform after COINTELPRO. The FBI has known about nearly every mass shooter for the past 20 years, they've leaked numerous investigations and raids to the press for political reasons, they sit on evidence for political reasons, they target domestic journalists for political reasons, they lied to FISA courts for political reasons, and they've been sitting on exculpatory evidence for political reasons, they've been sicced on parents at school boards for political reasons. I'll let you figure this one out for yourself.
- tata71 5y ago
  No idea what the other commenter was alluding to...
  - twofornone 5y ago
    They did allegedly just raid a politically opposed journalistic outlet and leak confidential reporter's notes to NYT, which is sort of illegal. Can anyone explain why Biden's daughter's stolen diary, which PV obtained and gave back, is grounds for an FBI search warrant? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29210285 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29210285
    - astronautjones 5y ago
      calling that guy a journalist is hilariously disingenuous. the guy that has been caught doctoring and falsely editing literally everything that he has produced? He's catering to an audience of hateful people that can't even eat breakfast without it being in bad faith. He is weeks away from an expose telling you that actually the confederacy landed on the moon first. Being a contrarian fool that argues blindly without accepting or understanding reality and context is de rigueur on this website, it's disgusting and telling as to why the industry is so self-serving and fraud-ridden
      - twofornone 5y ago
        > the guy that has been caught doctoring and falsely editing literally everything that he has produced? I don't know what to tell you, that's a lie. Even if he had published misleading or false statements in the past, that does not imply that everything out of PV is false, as convenient as such a belief may be for supporters of the establishment. >He's catering to an audience of hateful people that can't even eat breakfast without it being in bad faith. He is weeks away from an expose telling you that actually the confederacy landed on the moon first. Dissent is not hateful. Leaning right is not hateful. You are stereotyping, writing off everyone on the other side based on the beliefs of an extreme minority. The same logic could be applied to the left at large and it would be just as dishonest. >Being a contrarian fool that argues blindly without accepting or understanding reality and context is de rigueur on this website, it's disgusting As opposed to blindly following groupthink because your "authoritative sources" have unquestioningly quoted experts with blatant political and financial conflicts of interest? Please. Tell me, where are the journalists looking into e.g. ties between pfizer and the FDA? Regulatory capture is no secret. The partisan hate that PV gets is totally unwarranted, its a cheap, straw grasping dismissal of opposition. This leaked diary is an excellent example, by the way. Though PV did not leak the contents, someone else did, and there are images of pages detailing Ashley's potential molestation by her father. If our media had a semblance of objectivity that would be a huge story - and apparently if the FBI is raiding PV over the diary (for which there is absolutely no justification, beyond party politics), the diary must be authentic. Hunter Biden's laptop was another example of mass collusion by partisan media - regardless of how you feel about the situation, images of a presidential candidate's son smoking crack with prostitutes is huge news. PV was one of the few outlets willing to touch it. In any case, that you may think O'Keefe is biased does not imply that he is not in fact a journalist; unless you are willing to be consistent and acknowledge that the blatant activism that has replaced journalism in mainstream media also disqualifies them from identifying as journalists. This is what dissent looks like.
        razakel 5y ago
        Never heard of the boy who cried wolf, then? The serial liar is probably lying. If he had anything of substance then he should pass it to someone with credibility. Or, more likely, this is Hunter Biden's laptop, which disappeared once there was literally no substance.
  - geofft 5y ago
    I am guessing "Anyone who gets seriously close to threatening the FBI's existence will get extrajudicially prevented from doing so"? For a lawmaker, you don't even have to do anything legally or (particularly) morally questionable like killing them - just entrap them and have them lose their jobs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscam
    - RNCTX 5y ago
      If you do catch them and it's too public to go after you for retribution, they'll sell a federal judiciary seat to someone willing to erase it. One of Trump's 2017 judicial appointments in the ND of Texas dismissed the civil suit against the FBI, DOJ, and Comey by name for organizing the "ISIS" mass shooting in Garland, TX in 2015. We know they organized it because local cops caught an undercover in the parking lot who was waiting on the shooters to arrive. [1] He had to identify himself as undercover to stop the local cops from shooting him. [2] A security guard who was shot in the incident brought the civil suit against the feds, discovery produced text messages showing the same undercover FBI agent giving the shooters instructions. The FBI also had to remove flags from databases so the shooters could pass background checks for gun purchases. And before anyone falls for the knee-jerk tendency of thinking one political party is different from the other, the judge who dismissed the case on her first day was a stalled Obama appointment to the same seat before she was a Trump appointment confirmed for that seat. And the person who blew the whistle on the FBI paying people to recruit and train domestic "terrorists" said they began doing so when Obama took office in 2009. 1. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/02/10/records-undercover-fbi-agent-near-garland-terror-attack/97740354/ https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/02/1... 2. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/terrorism-in-garland-texas-what-the-fbi-knew-before-the-2015-attack/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/terrorism-in-garland-texas-what...
      - nosefrog 5y ago
        Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and most of what you've stated are not supported by your links.
dang 5y ago
Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. We're trying to avoid that here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

There was no reform after COINTELPRO. The FBI has known about nearly every mass shooter for the past 20 years, they've leaked numerous investigations and raids to the press for political reasons, they sit on evidence for political reasons, they target domestic journalists for political reasons, they lied to FISA courts for political reasons, and they've been sitting on exculpatory evidence for political reasons, they've been sicced on parents at school boards for political reasons. I'll let you figure this one out for yourself.

tata71 5y ago
No idea what the other commenter was alluding to...
- twofornone 5y ago
  They did allegedly just raid a politically opposed journalistic outlet and leak confidential reporter's notes to NYT, which is sort of illegal. Can anyone explain why Biden's daughter's stolen diary, which PV obtained and gave back, is grounds for an FBI search warrant? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29210285 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29210285
  - astronautjones 5y ago
    calling that guy a journalist is hilariously disingenuous. the guy that has been caught doctoring and falsely editing literally everything that he has produced? He's catering to an audience of hateful people that can't even eat breakfast without it being in bad faith. He is weeks away from an expose telling you that actually the confederacy landed on the moon first. Being a contrarian fool that argues blindly without accepting or understanding reality and context is de rigueur on this website, it's disgusting and telling as to why the industry is so self-serving and fraud-ridden
    - twofornone 5y ago
      > the guy that has been caught doctoring and falsely editing literally everything that he has produced? I don't know what to tell you, that's a lie. Even if he had published misleading or false statements in the past, that does not imply that everything out of PV is false, as convenient as such a belief may be for supporters of the establishment. >He's catering to an audience of hateful people that can't even eat breakfast without it being in bad faith. He is weeks away from an expose telling you that actually the confederacy landed on the moon first. Dissent is not hateful. Leaning right is not hateful. You are stereotyping, writing off everyone on the other side based on the beliefs of an extreme minority. The same logic could be applied to the left at large and it would be just as dishonest. >Being a contrarian fool that argues blindly without accepting or understanding reality and context is de rigueur on this website, it's disgusting As opposed to blindly following groupthink because your "authoritative sources" have unquestioningly quoted experts with blatant political and financial conflicts of interest? Please. Tell me, where are the journalists looking into e.g. ties between pfizer and the FDA? Regulatory capture is no secret. The partisan hate that PV gets is totally unwarranted, its a cheap, straw grasping dismissal of opposition. This leaked diary is an excellent example, by the way. Though PV did not leak the contents, someone else did, and there are images of pages detailing Ashley's potential molestation by her father. If our media had a semblance of objectivity that would be a huge story - and apparently if the FBI is raiding PV over the diary (for which there is absolutely no justification, beyond party politics), the diary must be authentic. Hunter Biden's laptop was another example of mass collusion by partisan media - regardless of how you feel about the situation, images of a presidential candidate's son smoking crack with prostitutes is huge news. PV was one of the few outlets willing to touch it. In any case, that you may think O'Keefe is biased does not imply that he is not in fact a journalist; unless you are willing to be consistent and acknowledge that the blatant activism that has replaced journalism in mainstream media also disqualifies them from identifying as journalists. This is what dissent looks like.
      - razakel 5y ago
        Never heard of the boy who cried wolf, then? The serial liar is probably lying. If he had anything of substance then he should pass it to someone with credibility. Or, more likely, this is Hunter Biden's laptop, which disappeared once there was literally no substance.
- geofft 5y ago
  I am guessing "Anyone who gets seriously close to threatening the FBI's existence will get extrajudicially prevented from doing so"? For a lawmaker, you don't even have to do anything legally or (particularly) morally questionable like killing them - just entrap them and have them lose their jobs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscam
  - RNCTX 5y ago
    If you do catch them and it's too public to go after you for retribution, they'll sell a federal judiciary seat to someone willing to erase it. One of Trump's 2017 judicial appointments in the ND of Texas dismissed the civil suit against the FBI, DOJ, and Comey by name for organizing the "ISIS" mass shooting in Garland, TX in 2015. We know they organized it because local cops caught an undercover in the parking lot who was waiting on the shooters to arrive. [1] He had to identify himself as undercover to stop the local cops from shooting him. [2] A security guard who was shot in the incident brought the civil suit against the feds, discovery produced text messages showing the same undercover FBI agent giving the shooters instructions. The FBI also had to remove flags from databases so the shooters could pass background checks for gun purchases. And before anyone falls for the knee-jerk tendency of thinking one political party is different from the other, the judge who dismissed the case on her first day was a stalled Obama appointment to the same seat before she was a Trump appointment confirmed for that seat. And the person who blew the whistle on the FBI paying people to recruit and train domestic "terrorists" said they began doing so when Obama took office in 2009. 1. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/02/10/records-undercover-fbi-agent-near-garland-terror-attack/97740354/ https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/phoenix/2017/02/1... 2. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/terrorism-in-garland-texas-what-the-fbi-knew-before-the-2015-attack/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/terrorism-in-garland-texas-what...
    - nosefrog 5y ago
      Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and most of what you've stated are not supported by your links.

dang 5y ago

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. We're trying to avoid that here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html