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This is so ridiculous. I cant decide between a S2 and a Iphone 5 anyway but this makes me lean heavily towards the Samsung device. Patenting the way to unlock a

by kayoone 15y ago

This is so ridiculous. I cant decide between a S2 and a Iphone 5 anyway but this makes me lean heavily towards the Samsung device. Patenting the way to unlock a phone via dragging an image ? God, i need to puke.

chaostheory 15y ago
Yeah I'm part of the Apple cult, but if Apple keeps this legal circus up, as much as I'd hate to, I'm probably going to leave it.
- re_todd 15y ago
  I've never bought Apple, but I've recommended them to non-tech friends and family that sought my advice. From now on, no more recommendations from me.
  - rimantas 15y ago
    When next time you are going to recommend some Galaxy Tab for them rember this: http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/06/29/samsung-complaint-calls-for-import-ban-on-apples-iphone-ipad-and-ipod/ http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/06/29/samsung-complaint-cal... Apple did not invent the patent system, nor did they bought that court decision.
wladimir 15y ago
This is indeed ridiculous. I've always been pretty neutral towards Apple but I this is just appalling. Seemingly they cannot compete with Android in the normal way so they try the patent troll angle. I hope this backfires on them big time. I don't want to live in Apple's locked-down walled garden.
- mhd 15y ago
  Hardly surprising[1]. And I don't think this will make a big splash against them. The public doesn't care and Apple fanboys will be Apple fanboys. I expect some apologetics any moment on Daring Fireball any moment now… NB: I'm typing this on a Mac. I really like the OS and the desktop/laptop systems, but since they've become the big mobile player, there's not a lot of progress in those fields and they're getting increasingly litigious. Time to install Arch on some spare machine again… [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microso...
  - wladimir 15y ago
    "The public doesn't care": it seems they do, at least here in the Netherlands I see a lot of people (non-techies) angrily complaining about Apple now. There are a few fanboys/apologetics, but most people realize that competition in the smartphone arena is good and Apple is trying to sabotage this by litigation.
- monochromatic 15y ago
  This is not what "patent troll" means. Apple is not a non-practicing entity.
- tjogin 15y ago
  Apple can't compete with Android? That's your conclusion? Maybe you should revisit that thought, I mean considering the mountain of evidence (money) to the contrary?
  - ditojim 15y ago
    Apple is coming under increasing competition in the mobile phone market, specifically from Android. Despite the buckets of cash Apple has on hand, it is a fair assumption that Apple is increasingly focused on taking down Android by any means possible, including buying tons of patents and taking Android handset OEMs to court.
    - tjogin 15y ago
      That Apple has competition does not mean that they are unable to compete. They are _extremely_ able to compete.
      - ditojim 15y ago
        especially when they block competition via court orders..
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        2muchcoffeeman 15y ago
        Litigation does not mean that Apple are unable to compete on equal terms. They are just being jerks and using everything in their arsenal possible to increase what lead they have. They are just another jerky corporation.
- white_devil 15y ago
  Seemingly they cannot compete with Android in the normal way so they try the patent troll angle. Ah yes, it's overwhelmingly obvious that Apple is the underdog in the mobile phone space! They've never been able to compete on their own, and that's why they resort to such tactics. Look, everyone is suing everyone in utterly ridiculous greed/patent-lawsuits: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/whos-suing-whom-in-the-telecoms-trade/ http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/whos-suing-whom-i... It's just the way the sad, sad game is played.
SoftwareMaven 15y ago
Just remember Apple is being sued as much as it's suing. Yes, it is disgusting business practice across the industry, but nobody is immune and nobody is pure. Apple gets the most air time because they are Apple. Take some of your anger and let your representatives know how sick the patent system is. Then do it again and again. We need to get the message to them! EDIT: Yes, this case is Europe, but if America became more intelligent with patents, Europe, who already is more intelligent, would likely follow.
- KirinDave 15y ago
  > Just remember Apple is being sued as much as it's suing. That doesn't make it acceptable. I'm tired of making excuses for Apple, personally. I like their products, but they've worn my goodwill towards their brand down to a nub by being one of the most ruthless and (in my opinion) unethical brandishers of patents worldwide.
  - SoftwareMaven 15y ago
    What I would really like to see is more information on who the aggressors are in all the cases. While I can find who is suing whom, I can't find who started suits in the cases of counter-suits having been filed. There is no doubt Apple is in the middle of things and they are being extremely aggressive, and this particular suit seems over the top. However, I can't judge all of Apple's lawsuits with the current information I have. They are too prominent in the press and too little real information is being presented there. Put another way, if we assume all the patents were valid (which is the lawyerly assumption) and companies really are infringing, is Apple wrong? If we were talking about people stealing the core of Mr. Fusion and putting out Mrs. Fusors, would Mr. Fusion be in the wrong to sue? I would love nothing more than for all software patents to get dumped, but until that day comes, they are part of the rules of business. Apple could choose not to fight, but I don't think that would be keeping with fiduciary responsibility. (Re-reading this, I realized it kind of turned into a stream of consciousness thing. Hopefully there is something to follow here).
    - arebop 15y ago
wtallis 15y ago
If this litigation influences you against Apple and in favor of Samsung, then you must either think that Samsung is a more ethical company, or you are holding Apple to a higher standard. I think you'll find that neither position can be logically justified.

by kayoone 15y ago

chaostheory 15y ago

Yeah I'm part of the Apple cult, but if Apple keeps this legal circus up, as much as I'd hate to, I'm probably going to leave it.

re_todd 15y ago
I've never bought Apple, but I've recommended them to non-tech friends and family that sought my advice. From now on, no more recommendations from me.
- rimantas 15y ago
  When next time you are going to recommend some Galaxy Tab for them rember this: http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/06/29/samsung-complaint-calls-for-import-ban-on-apples-iphone-ipad-and-ipod/ http://thenextweb.com/apple/2011/06/29/samsung-complaint-cal... Apple did not invent the patent system, nor did they bought that court decision.

wladimir 15y ago

This is indeed ridiculous. I've always been pretty neutral towards Apple but I this is just appalling. Seemingly they cannot compete with Android in the normal way so they try the patent troll angle. I hope this backfires on them big time. I don't want to live in Apple's locked-down walled garden.

mhd 15y ago
Hardly surprising[1]. And I don't think this will make a big splash against them. The public doesn't care and Apple fanboys will be Apple fanboys. I expect some apologetics any moment on Daring Fireball any moment now… NB: I'm typing this on a Mac. I really like the OS and the desktop/laptop systems, but since they've become the big mobile player, there's not a lot of progress in those fields and they're getting increasingly litigious. Time to install Arch on some spare machine again… [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microso...
- wladimir 15y ago
  "The public doesn't care": it seems they do, at least here in the Netherlands I see a lot of people (non-techies) angrily complaining about Apple now. There are a few fanboys/apologetics, but most people realize that competition in the smartphone arena is good and Apple is trying to sabotage this by litigation.
monochromatic 15y ago
This is not what "patent troll" means. Apple is not a non-practicing entity.
tjogin 15y ago
Apple can't compete with Android? That's your conclusion? Maybe you should revisit that thought, I mean considering the mountain of evidence (money) to the contrary?
- ditojim 15y ago
  Apple is coming under increasing competition in the mobile phone market, specifically from Android. Despite the buckets of cash Apple has on hand, it is a fair assumption that Apple is increasingly focused on taking down Android by any means possible, including buying tons of patents and taking Android handset OEMs to court.
  - tjogin 15y ago
    That Apple has competition does not mean that they are unable to compete. They are _extremely_ able to compete.
    - ditojim 15y ago
      especially when they block competition via court orders..
      - deleted 15y ago
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      - 2muchcoffeeman 15y ago
        Litigation does not mean that Apple are unable to compete on equal terms. They are just being jerks and using everything in their arsenal possible to increase what lead they have. They are just another jerky corporation.
white_devil 15y ago
Seemingly they cannot compete with Android in the normal way so they try the patent troll angle. Ah yes, it's overwhelmingly obvious that Apple is the underdog in the mobile phone space! They've never been able to compete on their own, and that's why they resort to such tactics. Look, everyone is suing everyone in utterly ridiculous greed/patent-lawsuits: http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/whos-suing-whom-in-the-telecoms-trade/ http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/2010/whos-suing-whom-i... It's just the way the sad, sad game is played.

SoftwareMaven 15y ago

Just remember Apple is being sued as much as it's suing. Yes, it is disgusting business practice across the industry, but nobody is immune and nobody is pure. Apple gets the most air time because they are Apple. Take some of your anger and let your representatives know how sick the patent system is. Then do it again and again. We need to get the message to them! EDIT: Yes, this case is Europe, but if America became more intelligent with patents, Europe, who already is more intelligent, would likely follow.

KirinDave 15y ago
> Just remember Apple is being sued as much as it's suing. That doesn't make it acceptable. I'm tired of making excuses for Apple, personally. I like their products, but they've worn my goodwill towards their brand down to a nub by being one of the most ruthless and (in my opinion) unethical brandishers of patents worldwide.
- SoftwareMaven 15y ago
  What I would really like to see is more information on who the aggressors are in all the cases. While I can find who is suing whom, I can't find who started suits in the cases of counter-suits having been filed. There is no doubt Apple is in the middle of things and they are being extremely aggressive, and this particular suit seems over the top. However, I can't judge all of Apple's lawsuits with the current information I have. They are too prominent in the press and too little real information is being presented there. Put another way, if we assume all the patents were valid (which is the lawyerly assumption) and companies really are infringing, is Apple wrong? If we were talking about people stealing the core of Mr. Fusion and putting out Mrs. Fusors, would Mr. Fusion be in the wrong to sue? I would love nothing more than for all software patents to get dumped, but until that day comes, they are part of the rules of business. Apple could choose not to fight, but I don't think that would be keeping with fiduciary responsibility. (Re-reading this, I realized it kind of turned into a stream of consciousness thing. Hopefully there is something to follow here).
  - arebop 15y ago

wtallis 15y ago

If this litigation influences you against Apple and in favor of Samsung, then you must either think that Samsung is a more ethical company, or you are holding Apple to a higher standard. I think you'll find that neither position can be logically justified.