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Of course, in a way, everything is natural. Let's not play with words, "unnatural" in this context generally refers to "human induced", ie "under human control
by rixed 5y ago
Of course, in a way, everything is natural.
Let's not play with words, "unnatural" in this context generally refers to "human induced", ie "under human control", ie "we could do something about it, if we fixed politics".
Then at this point some will object that if we haven't fixed it yet, it's because we really can't, because our current politics is actually natural, so we should not even try (showing that the anti-environmentalists can also make use of the natural vs unnatural rhetoric).
"Nature" just like its oposite "human volition" are nothing but concepts that has to be assumed or those discussions make no sense.
- slibhb 5y agoMy point in bringing up the semantics of "natural" was that environmentalism relies on anthropocentrism. That's fine with me but it doesn't seem fine with the environmentalists since they hate humanity and consider it a cancer. > Then at this point some will object that if we haven't fixed it yet, it's because we really can't, because our current politics is actually natural, so we should not even try (showing that the anti-environmentalists can also make use of the natural vs unnatural rhetoric). No one (in this thread) said "we should not even try". The question is how we frame environmentalism. The kind of anti-humanism that is associated with modern environmentalism is not the way to go.