> how many lines of code was [Zope] before then? Soooo many. Zope was a very formidable code base to delve into. I was trying to learn it because my company wa

> how many lines of code was [Zope] before then? Soooo many. Zope was a very formidable code base to delve into. I was trying to learn it because my company was using Plone, and Zope quickly surfaced through the abstractions. Zope's codebase might have been more accessible if type annotations were a thing back then. Their implementation of "interfaces" for Python were very interesting back in the Python 2.3 days. I disagree that Python is a "toy" language now. It started out as one, and has been stumbling awkwardly away from that ever since the mid 2000s - virtualenvs, pip, pyenv, pipenv/poetry, type annotations, mypy etc. In my entirely unscientific opinion, I think it was Django that started this journey, then of course scikit, numpy leading into pandas etc.