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I think you have to do a Bill Cosby before you actually get cancelled. Or an OJ.

ashtonkem 5y ago
Even Louis C.K. is still getting invited to places. The Hollywood Improv just sent me a mailer about him doing a bit there recently.
- jollybean 5y ago
  Louis CK is 'cancelled'. To think that 'he does some shows' means he's not 'cancelled' would be to miss the point. Whether he deserved to be cancelled or not is another question - but he had is shows cancelled, TV show bookings, roles, future roles, any mention in pop culture outside of his cancellation etc.. When you make a career out of appearing 5 times a year on nightly talk shows, daytime TV, the occasional SNL, TV role - and then all of that 'goes away' - then that's what we call 'cancelled'. Louis CK was a tricky one because he did something questionable, that said, the details are also kind of odd and there's nuance to it.
  - ashtonkem 5y ago
    There is something genuinely farcical talking about how Louis CK was “cancelled” when he’s on a nation wide tour right now. If we accept that “booking fewer national specials” is “cancelled”, then we also admit that the term is watered down to meaninglessness.
    - jollybean 5y ago
      ? Louis CK went from being B/C list celebrity, TV/Comedy Start, Netflix Specials, massive sold out tours promoted on national and international media ... ... to being shunned by the entire media establishment, no TV deals, no appearances, and doing many fewer shows with a tiny fraction of the audience. If he were not cancelled, his Netflix appearances alone would be worth $25-75 Million, just in the last few years, probably the bulk of his earnings. His income dropped by 100% for several years, and is now probably less than 10% of what it was. "he term is watered down to meaninglessness." His career and personal identity were totally dismantled. His brand value is nil and future income prospects are a tiny fraction of what they were. What kind of person would see this as a 'meaningless' distinction? Honestly the question comes down to how frothy people have to be to not understand the obvious materiality of the situation.
      - ashtonkem 5y ago
        He’s still selling out tours! He still has a career! The people whining about “cancel culture” talk about how the cancelled lose any ability to work and make money. He has lost some opportunities yes, but it’s not like he’s now begging in the streets. Furthermore, he wasn’t “cancelled” for saying something distasteful or forbidden, people stopped liking him because he was credibly accused of sexual assault. The proper word for that is “scandal”.

Even Louis C.K. is still getting invited to places. The Hollywood Improv just sent me a mailer about him doing a bit there recently.

jollybean 5y ago
Louis CK is 'cancelled'. To think that 'he does some shows' means he's not 'cancelled' would be to miss the point. Whether he deserved to be cancelled or not is another question - but he had is shows cancelled, TV show bookings, roles, future roles, any mention in pop culture outside of his cancellation etc.. When you make a career out of appearing 5 times a year on nightly talk shows, daytime TV, the occasional SNL, TV role - and then all of that 'goes away' - then that's what we call 'cancelled'. Louis CK was a tricky one because he did something questionable, that said, the details are also kind of odd and there's nuance to it.
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  There is something genuinely farcical talking about how Louis CK was “cancelled” when he’s on a nation wide tour right now. If we accept that “booking fewer national specials” is “cancelled”, then we also admit that the term is watered down to meaninglessness.
  - jollybean 5y ago
    ? Louis CK went from being B/C list celebrity, TV/Comedy Start, Netflix Specials, massive sold out tours promoted on national and international media ... ... to being shunned by the entire media establishment, no TV deals, no appearances, and doing many fewer shows with a tiny fraction of the audience. If he were not cancelled, his Netflix appearances alone would be worth $25-75 Million, just in the last few years, probably the bulk of his earnings. His income dropped by 100% for several years, and is now probably less than 10% of what it was. "he term is watered down to meaninglessness." His career and personal identity were totally dismantled. His brand value is nil and future income prospects are a tiny fraction of what they were. What kind of person would see this as a 'meaningless' distinction? Honestly the question comes down to how frothy people have to be to not understand the obvious materiality of the situation.
    - ashtonkem 5y ago
      He’s still selling out tours! He still has a career! The people whining about “cancel culture” talk about how the cancelled lose any ability to work and make money. He has lost some opportunities yes, but it’s not like he’s now begging in the streets. Furthermore, he wasn’t “cancelled” for saying something distasteful or forbidden, people stopped liking him because he was credibly accused of sexual assault. The proper word for that is “scandal”.