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Louis C.K. is one I can think of, off the top of my head.

by rsj_hn 5y ago

roughly 5y ago
Louis masturbated in front of other people without their consent.
- prepend 5y ago
  And some with their consent too. But he was cancelled.
  - ashtonkem 5y ago
    This really highlights how meaningless “cancelled” is. Louis CK is literally on tour right now.
    - prepend 5y ago
      It’s not meaningless as he’s not nearly as popular as he once was, lost lots of money, etc. Sometimes cancelled shows get renewed. Or they make money in syndication, etc. But it’s certainly not meaningless.
      - ashtonkem 5y ago
        Yes, you’re describing a scandal. We do have other words to describe situations, we don’t have to use the zeitgeist terms if they don’t fit.
- koolba 5y ago
  It was with their consent. Or at least he gave them fair notice of what he was going to do. He didn’t assault anyone. He’s just a pervert.
  - salt-thrower 5y ago
    That’s not quite it. He was a very successful comedian and a big name in the industry. Imagine a titan of industry in your field asking you the same thing - you might go along with it out of fear that you’d face repercussions in your career if you said no. Sure it’s not assault, but it’s still coercive and unsettling. Conversely, going to a social kink meetup and asking people to watch you masturbate would be totally fine. That’s a different situation - there’s no career dynamic involved.
- confidantlake 5y ago
  Good reason to get cancelled right?
- favorited 5y ago
  And 11 of his next 15 shows are sold out: https://louisck.com/pages/tickets https://louisck.com/pages/tickets Definitely "cancelled" :eyeroll:
- rightisleft 5y ago
  To be clear, he did that and then had his manager blacklist the two women who spoke up about it. It’s not just the act, it’s the cover up that makes it particularly heinous.
  - ashtonkem 5y ago
    It’s also, ironically, a better description of “cancellation” than what happened to him afterwards. He tried to use his power to silence victims and destroy their careers.
- rsj_hn 5y ago
  That's not the issue. For those of us who aren't interested in judging him for this transgression, he's still a good comic that is quite entertaining, and we'd like to see him perform. The issue with cancel culture isn't that people can't decide to not patronize a comic. That's always their right. You can choose to not watch a comedy special because of any reason that is important to you. Just understand others may decide differently, and they also deserve to have the choice of who to watch. There is a difference between choosing not to watch a comedy special, and getting so outraged that you need to prevent others from watching the same special.
  - roughly 5y ago
    So I'm not defending "cancel culture" or whatever that is. Louis did not say things that were considered not politically correct, he did a thing that falls under reasonable definitions of sexual assault. This is distinct - Louis does not have "bad opinions", Louis did something abhorrent. Louis didn't get "cancelled" for "wrong think" or however people want to phrase this right now, Louis got dropped from his bookings because he assaulted people. There's a line somewhere, and there's grey areas, but, to be clear, again: Louis CK committed sexual assault. That is why he got dropped from venues, from specials, etc. - because the people who host those venues and produce those specials decided they did not want to support a man who committed sexual assault.
    - rsj_hn 5y ago
      So I'm not defending Louis C.K., either. But I'm troubled by the idea of people just concluding that he commited sexual assault when he hasn't even been charged with that, there was no fact-finding process at all, and people are basically inventing their own legal definitions and deciding what someone is guilty of based on public accusations. We have courts and investigators to make these determinations for the public at large, where people are put under oath, facts are gathered according to rules evidence, there is cross-examination and testimony from all sides, etc. You know, all that rule-of-law stuff so that people are not condemned or punished unjustly. What I am not in favor of is trial by internet where people who are either not impartial or do not have access to all the evidence, decide to mete out punishment on their own. Of course such people can decide for themselves what happened and then choose not to patronize whomever they want, but those are personal opinions and don't carry a high truth value, nor should they be used to try to deprive someone of the right to seek their own audience and continue making a living.
girvo 5y ago
He’s performing though. Doing quite well, too, from the looks of it.
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  He’s a pretty good example of how cancel culture as it’s commonly presented does not exist. He didn’t tell edgy jokes that ran afoul of the “mob”, he masturbated in front of people without consent and ruined the careers of comedians who didn’t play along with him. That’s really fucking gross, and is damn close to the legal line. If anyone deserves cancellation, excluding those charged with crimes like Crosby, it would be Louis. And yet there he is, still getting sets at Hollywood standup clubs.
- rsj_hn 5y ago
  This, I didn't know -- where can I watch a special?

Louis C.K. is one I can think of, off the top of my head.

by rsj_hn 5y ago

Louis C.K. is one I can think of, off the top of my head.

roughly 5y ago

Louis masturbated in front of other people without their consent.

prepend 5y ago
And some with their consent too. But he was cancelled.
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  This really highlights how meaningless “cancelled” is. Louis CK is literally on tour right now.
  - prepend 5y ago
    It’s not meaningless as he’s not nearly as popular as he once was, lost lots of money, etc. Sometimes cancelled shows get renewed. Or they make money in syndication, etc. But it’s certainly not meaningless.
    - ashtonkem 5y ago
      Yes, you’re describing a scandal. We do have other words to describe situations, we don’t have to use the zeitgeist terms if they don’t fit.
koolba 5y ago
It was with their consent. Or at least he gave them fair notice of what he was going to do. He didn’t assault anyone. He’s just a pervert.
- salt-thrower 5y ago
  That’s not quite it. He was a very successful comedian and a big name in the industry. Imagine a titan of industry in your field asking you the same thing - you might go along with it out of fear that you’d face repercussions in your career if you said no. Sure it’s not assault, but it’s still coercive and unsettling. Conversely, going to a social kink meetup and asking people to watch you masturbate would be totally fine. That’s a different situation - there’s no career dynamic involved.
confidantlake 5y ago
Good reason to get cancelled right?
favorited 5y ago
And 11 of his next 15 shows are sold out: https://louisck.com/pages/tickets https://louisck.com/pages/tickets Definitely "cancelled" :eyeroll:
rightisleft 5y ago
To be clear, he did that and then had his manager blacklist the two women who spoke up about it. It’s not just the act, it’s the cover up that makes it particularly heinous.
- ashtonkem 5y ago
  It’s also, ironically, a better description of “cancellation” than what happened to him afterwards. He tried to use his power to silence victims and destroy their careers.
rsj_hn 5y ago
That's not the issue. For those of us who aren't interested in judging him for this transgression, he's still a good comic that is quite entertaining, and we'd like to see him perform. The issue with cancel culture isn't that people can't decide to not patronize a comic. That's always their right. You can choose to not watch a comedy special because of any reason that is important to you. Just understand others may decide differently, and they also deserve to have the choice of who to watch. There is a difference between choosing not to watch a comedy special, and getting so outraged that you need to prevent others from watching the same special.
- roughly 5y ago
  So I'm not defending "cancel culture" or whatever that is. Louis did not say things that were considered not politically correct, he did a thing that falls under reasonable definitions of sexual assault. This is distinct - Louis does not have "bad opinions", Louis did something abhorrent. Louis didn't get "cancelled" for "wrong think" or however people want to phrase this right now, Louis got dropped from his bookings because he assaulted people. There's a line somewhere, and there's grey areas, but, to be clear, again: Louis CK committed sexual assault. That is why he got dropped from venues, from specials, etc. - because the people who host those venues and produce those specials decided they did not want to support a man who committed sexual assault.
  - rsj_hn 5y ago
    So I'm not defending Louis C.K., either. But I'm troubled by the idea of people just concluding that he commited sexual assault when he hasn't even been charged with that, there was no fact-finding process at all, and people are basically inventing their own legal definitions and deciding what someone is guilty of based on public accusations. We have courts and investigators to make these determinations for the public at large, where people are put under oath, facts are gathered according to rules evidence, there is cross-examination and testimony from all sides, etc. You know, all that rule-of-law stuff so that people are not condemned or punished unjustly. What I am not in favor of is trial by internet where people who are either not impartial or do not have access to all the evidence, decide to mete out punishment on their own. Of course such people can decide for themselves what happened and then choose not to patronize whomever they want, but those are personal opinions and don't carry a high truth value, nor should they be used to try to deprive someone of the right to seek their own audience and continue making a living.

girvo 5y ago

He’s performing though. Doing quite well, too, from the looks of it.

ashtonkem 5y ago
He’s a pretty good example of how cancel culture as it’s commonly presented does not exist. He didn’t tell edgy jokes that ran afoul of the “mob”, he masturbated in front of people without consent and ruined the careers of comedians who didn’t play along with him. That’s really fucking gross, and is damn close to the legal line. If anyone deserves cancellation, excluding those charged with crimes like Crosby, it would be Louis. And yet there he is, still getting sets at Hollywood standup clubs.
rsj_hn 5y ago
This, I didn't know -- where can I watch a special?