> A CS degree, which many programmers don't even have, takes 4 years. I don't know where you can get a good programming job if you don't even have a university

> A CS degree, which many programmers don't even have, takes 4 years. I don't know where you can get a good programming job if you don't even have a university degree. You can certainly freelance, but then there are no guarantees. The more frequently picture is that, to get a really good job (at Google, for example) you frequently need a MSc, and not few software engineers have a PhD too.