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> I’m in an awkward position of figuring out how my young child can spend time with them in a safe manner I'm assuming this person doesn't actually have covid,

> I’m in an awkward position of figuring out how my young child can spend time with them in a safe manner I'm assuming this person doesn't actually have covid, they just didn't get the vaccine which makes them slightly less likely to transmit covid if they get it, and much less likely to have a bad case of covid. And I'm assuming your young child doesn't normally need special accommodation and so has an incomprehensibly small chance of having any complications from covid. Yet you look down on this family member as having a "lack of rationality". I don't mean to say people shouldn't be encouraged to get vaccinated, but healthy, vaccinated people treating unvaccinated people as some kind of plague carrying monsters is at least as irrational as having questions about vaccination.

tzs 5y ago
It sounds like he has gone through an iterative process with them: they offer some objection to vaccination, he provides a refutation of that objection, they switch to a different objection, repeat. And it sounds like as this loop repeats they are turning to increasingly bogus conspiracy theories for new objections. Based on what I've seen from social media that kind of person usually doesn't just reject COVID vaccination. They usually seem to also reject masking, social distancing, avoiding crowds, and often just assume that it must just be a cold when they do get sick and so don't get tested and don't take much care to not expose others. If he's dealing with that kind of family member, keeping his kid away from them until the pandemic is over is not unreasonable.
- version_five 5y ago
  I'd say there is some rational middle ground, and over reactions on each side. Personally I'm sympathetic to people who are hesitant about getting a new vaccine. But I'd consider any sort of conspiracy theory to be irrational. (Though I think you miss the point that many people don't agree with someone else telling them what medical treatment to take, but rather than articulate that will cling to less sound arguments and when these are debunked fall back to another, which is I think what you're seeing). But I'm sure there are people who harbor some irrational fear of vaccines or unsupported thoughts about how they work At the same time, there are also people who have gone crazy with covid fear, and believe no ritual is over the top to protect themselves or to signal to others. People walking alone with nobody around wearing a mask, people taking hand sanitizing to extremes, people who insist we all get vaccinated but also continue to wear masks, people who think their healthy kids should wear masks at school, and as I'm inferring from the post, people who despite an infinitesimal risk still want to have a say in what others do and worry about "safely" visiting or whatever. The original post is just as crazy as people worring about side effects from vaccines, which is my point.

tzs 5y ago

It sounds like he has gone through an iterative process with them: they offer some objection to vaccination, he provides a refutation of that objection, they switch to a different objection, repeat. And it sounds like as this loop repeats they are turning to increasingly bogus conspiracy theories for new objections. Based on what I've seen from social media that kind of person usually doesn't just reject COVID vaccination. They usually seem to also reject masking, social distancing, avoiding crowds, and often just assume that it must just be a cold when they do get sick and so don't get tested and don't take much care to not expose others. If he's dealing with that kind of family member, keeping his kid away from them until the pandemic is over is not unreasonable.

version_five 5y ago
I'd say there is some rational middle ground, and over reactions on each side. Personally I'm sympathetic to people who are hesitant about getting a new vaccine. But I'd consider any sort of conspiracy theory to be irrational. (Though I think you miss the point that many people don't agree with someone else telling them what medical treatment to take, but rather than articulate that will cling to less sound arguments and when these are debunked fall back to another, which is I think what you're seeing). But I'm sure there are people who harbor some irrational fear of vaccines or unsupported thoughts about how they work At the same time, there are also people who have gone crazy with covid fear, and believe no ritual is over the top to protect themselves or to signal to others. People walking alone with nobody around wearing a mask, people taking hand sanitizing to extremes, people who insist we all get vaccinated but also continue to wear masks, people who think their healthy kids should wear masks at school, and as I'm inferring from the post, people who despite an infinitesimal risk still want to have a say in what others do and worry about "safely" visiting or whatever. The original post is just as crazy as people worring about side effects from vaccines, which is my point.