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The ones with a nearly impeccable safety record, that we had many years of long term experience with, the ones that actually provided sterilizing immunity? Thos

The ones with a nearly impeccable safety record, that we had many years of long term experience with, the ones that actually provided sterilizing immunity? Those are great!

woodruffw 5y ago
No vaccine has an "impeccable" safety record, as the original clump of anti-vaxxers will helpfully remind us all. That's a red herring: what matters is that the COVID vaccines are overwhelmingly safe. Hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated worldwide without issues. You can now get a vaccine that has gone through exactly the same review process as every other vaccine in US history (i.e., one that is not under EUA).
- kodyo 5y ago
  They should be able to remove the liability exemption for the pharmas, then.
- incrudible 5y ago
  > Hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated worldwide without issues. Without issues? That's quite a stretch. I would agree that the risk of a severe or even fatal reaction to the vaccine is quite low, but it's still massively higher than for any of the other vaccines. > You can now get a vaccine that has gone through exactly the same review process as every other vaccine in US history I can't speak to the validity of this claim, but it's neither here nor there. Approval for vaccines and other medication has been withdrawn before. No vaccine has ever been widely administered or even mandated without several years of safety data.
aplummer 5y ago
> The ones with a nearly impeccable safety record The current vaccines have an impeccable safety record. > that we had many years of long term experience with We had many years surviving just fine with long term exposure to lead, cigarettes and asbestos. Time duration is not relevant, also because we have not had many years of long term experience with Covid itself - which is why the relative risk is what is important. You have an incredibly lower long-term risk when compared with catching Covid, and society has a multiplicatively lower risk when compared with unvaccinated people being allowed to so easily spread the disease. > the ones that actually provided sterilizing immunity The current vaccines provide significantly better immunity than the flu shot. This isn't a black and white exercise.
- miles 5y ago
  > The current vaccines have an impeccable safety record. "Impeccable" does not appear to be accurate: Orange County woman's death after 2nd dose of Moderna vaccine spurs concern from family https://abc7.com/moderna-vaccine-covid-side-effects-orange-county-coroner-death-investigation/10562182/ https://abc7.com/moderna-vaccine-covid-side-effects-orange-c... CDC says 28 blood clot cases, 3 deaths may be linked to J&J Covid vaccine https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/12/cdc-says-28-blood-clot-cases-3-deaths-may-be-linked-to-jj-covid-vaccine.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/12/cdc-says-28-blood-clot-cases... Belgium halts J&J COVID vaccine for under 41s after first EU death https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/belgium-says-halts-jj-covid-jab-under-41s-after-one-dies-2021-05-26/ https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/... COVID-19: Vaccine recipient died of heart attack, CECC says https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2021/06/13/2003759098 https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2021/06/13/... Woman who died a day after Covid-19 jab had heart attack, wasn't allergic to vaccine: MOH https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/woman-who-died-a-day-after-covid-19-jab-had-heart-attack-wasnt-allergic-to-vaccine-moh https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/woman-who-died-a-day-... 'I blame myself for vaccinating wife' https://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-newdelhi/i-blame-myself-for-vaccinating-wife/article35009711.ece https://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-newdelh... 13-Year-Old Dies in Sleep After Receiving Pfizer COVID Vaccine; CDC Investigating https://www.newsweek.com/13-year-old-dies-sleep-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-vaccine-cdc-investigating-1606529 https://www.newsweek.com/13-year-old-dies-sleep-after-receiv... Two die in Japan after shots from suspended Moderna vaccines - Japan govt https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/two-die-japan-after-shots-suspended-moderna-vaccines-japan-govt-2021-08-28/ https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/... Young people's deaths after Pfizer vaccines are new worry https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2021/08/24/national/socialAffairs/covid19-vaccine-deaths/20210824191200483.html https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2021/08/24/national/soc... New Zealand reports first death linked to Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-reports-death-woman-after-pfizer-covid-vaccine-2021-08-30/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-repor... Healthy mother-of-two, 35, dies after AstraZeneca vaccine caused blood clots on her brain as relatives say she had jab to 'protect her family' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9986391/Mother-dies-AstraZeneca-vaccine-caused-blood-clots-brain.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9986391/Mother-dies... Vaccinated in secret from his parents: new details about the boy who died after the Pfizer injection https://incident-obozrevatel-com.translate.goog/crime/rodnyie-ne-znali-chto-vladimir-reshil-sdelat-privivku-ot-covid-19-pod-kievom-cherez-neskolko-chasov-posle-ukola-skonchalsya-student.htm?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US https://incident-obozrevatel-com.translate.goog/crime/rodnyi... Slovenia suspends Johnson vaccine over death of 20-year-old https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/29/slovenia-suspends-johnson-vaccine-over-death-of-20-year-old https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/29/slovenia-suspends-j... Washington woman died from rare blood clotting syndrome after receiving Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine, local health agency says https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/05/health/washington-blood-clot-vaccine-death/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/05/health/washington-blood-clot-... Twitter Labeled Woman's Obituary as 'Misleading' After Death From Rare Vaccine Complication https://www.newsweek.com/twitter-labeled-womans-obituary-misleading-after-death-rare-vaccine-complication-1635402 https://www.newsweek.com/twitter-labeled-womans-obituary-mis... Myocarditis-induced Sudden Death after BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination in Korea: Case Report Focusing on Histopathological Findings https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34664804/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34664804/ Michigan woman’s death caused by rare Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine side effect, autopsy report says https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/10/saline-womans-death-caused-by-rare-johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-side-effect-autopsy-report-says.html https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/10/saline-womans-... Army conscript dies after jab https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2205891/army-conscript-dies-after-jab https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2205891/army-co... Probe underway into teenager's death after vaccination http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20211030000071 http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20211030000071 Covid: Blood clot victim's family praised for vaccine support https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-59224594 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-59224594

The ones with a nearly impeccable safety record, that we had many years of long term experience with, the ones that actually provided sterilizing immunity? Those are great!

woodruffw 5y ago

No vaccine has an "impeccable" safety record, as the original clump of anti-vaxxers will helpfully remind us all. That's a red herring: what matters is that the COVID vaccines are overwhelmingly safe. Hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated worldwide without issues. You can now get a vaccine that has gone through exactly the same review process as every other vaccine in US history (i.e., one that is not under EUA).

kodyo 5y ago
They should be able to remove the liability exemption for the pharmas, then.
incrudible 5y ago
> Hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated worldwide without issues. Without issues? That's quite a stretch. I would agree that the risk of a severe or even fatal reaction to the vaccine is quite low, but it's still massively higher than for any of the other vaccines. > You can now get a vaccine that has gone through exactly the same review process as every other vaccine in US history I can't speak to the validity of this claim, but it's neither here nor there. Approval for vaccines and other medication has been withdrawn before. No vaccine has ever been widely administered or even mandated without several years of safety data.

aplummer 5y ago

> The ones with a nearly impeccable safety record The current vaccines have an impeccable safety record. > that we had many years of long term experience with We had many years surviving just fine with long term exposure to lead, cigarettes and asbestos. Time duration is not relevant, also because we have not had many years of long term experience with Covid itself - which is why the relative risk is what is important. You have an incredibly lower long-term risk when compared with catching Covid, and society has a multiplicatively lower risk when compared with unvaccinated people being allowed to so easily spread the disease. > the ones that actually provided sterilizing immunity The current vaccines provide significantly better immunity than the flu shot. This isn't a black and white exercise.

miles 5y ago
> The current vaccines have an impeccable safety record. "Impeccable" does not appear to be accurate: Orange County woman's death after 2nd dose of Moderna vaccine spurs concern from family https://abc7.com/moderna-vaccine-covid-side-effects-orange-county-coroner-death-investigation/10562182/ https://abc7.com/moderna-vaccine-covid-side-effects-orange-c... CDC says 28 blood clot cases, 3 deaths may be linked to J&J Covid vaccine https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/12/cdc-says-28-blood-clot-cases-3-deaths-may-be-linked-to-jj-covid-vaccine.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/12/cdc-says-28-blood-clot-cases... Belgium halts J&J COVID vaccine for under 41s after first EU death https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/belgium-says-halts-jj-covid-jab-under-41s-after-one-dies-2021-05-26/ https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/... COVID-19: Vaccine recipient died of heart attack, CECC says https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2021/06/13/2003759098 https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2021/06/13/... Woman who died a day after Covid-19 jab had heart attack, wasn't allergic to vaccine: MOH https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/woman-who-died-a-day-after-covid-19-jab-had-heart-attack-wasnt-allergic-to-vaccine-moh https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/woman-who-died-a-day-... 'I blame myself for vaccinating wife' https://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-newdelhi/i-blame-myself-for-vaccinating-wife/article35009711.ece https://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-newdelh... 13-Year-Old Dies in Sleep After Receiving Pfizer COVID Vaccine; CDC Investigating https://www.newsweek.com/13-year-old-dies-sleep-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-vaccine-cdc-investigating-1606529 https://www.newsweek.com/13-year-old-dies-sleep-after-receiv... Two die in Japan after shots from suspended Moderna vaccines - Japan govt https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/two-die-japan-after-shots-suspended-moderna-vaccines-japan-govt-2021-08-28/ https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/... Young people's deaths after Pfizer vaccines are new worry https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2021/08/24/national/socialAffairs/covid19-vaccine-deaths/20210824191200483.html https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2021/08/24/national/soc... New Zealand reports first death linked to Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-reports-death-woman-after-pfizer-covid-vaccine-2021-08-30/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-repor... Healthy mother-of-two, 35, dies after AstraZeneca vaccine caused blood clots on her brain as relatives say she had jab to 'protect her family' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9986391/Mother-dies-AstraZeneca-vaccine-caused-blood-clots-brain.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9986391/Mother-dies... Vaccinated in secret from his parents: new details about the boy who died after the Pfizer injection https://incident-obozrevatel-com.translate.goog/crime/rodnyie-ne-znali-chto-vladimir-reshil-sdelat-privivku-ot-covid-19-pod-kievom-cherez-neskolko-chasov-posle-ukola-skonchalsya-student.htm?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US https://incident-obozrevatel-com.translate.goog/crime/rodnyi... Slovenia suspends Johnson vaccine over death of 20-year-old https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/29/slovenia-suspends-johnson-vaccine-over-death-of-20-year-old https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/29/slovenia-suspends-j... Washington woman died from rare blood clotting syndrome after receiving Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine, local health agency says https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/05/health/washington-blood-clot-vaccine-death/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/05/health/washington-blood-clot-... Twitter Labeled Woman's Obituary as 'Misleading' After Death From Rare Vaccine Complication https://www.newsweek.com/twitter-labeled-womans-obituary-misleading-after-death-rare-vaccine-complication-1635402 https://www.newsweek.com/twitter-labeled-womans-obituary-mis... Myocarditis-induced Sudden Death after BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination in Korea: Case Report Focusing on Histopathological Findings https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34664804/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34664804/ Michigan woman’s death caused by rare Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine side effect, autopsy report says https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/10/saline-womans-death-caused-by-rare-johnson-johnson-covid-vaccine-side-effect-autopsy-report-says.html https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/10/saline-womans-... Army conscript dies after jab https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2205891/army-conscript-dies-after-jab https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2205891/army-co... Probe underway into teenager's death after vaccination http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20211030000071 http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20211030000071 Covid: Blood clot victim's family praised for vaccine support https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-59224594 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-59224594