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I'm unvaccinated, been working from the office the entire time, not planning to get it. As a healthy, young man, with healthy vitamin D levels, the risk of gett

I'm unvaccinated, been working from the office the entire time, not planning to get it. As a healthy, young man, with healthy vitamin D levels, the risk of getting noticeable symptoms, let alone ending up in a hospital, is a nice round 0 (I ran the numbers, there were 0 such cases worldwide). I have also never been tested, or subject to any limitations regarding this status.

sleavey 5y ago
I did the same calculation and came to a similar conclusion. Here's one such calculator: https://www.qcovid.org/Calculation https://www.qcovid.org/Calculation. There are others based on more recent data, as well as papers and government data with age-stratified hospitalisations and deaths by vaccination status. Many seem to have forgotten life is not risk free.
- foogazi 5y ago
  All these years I could have been driving without a seat belt - my insurance company’s says I’m a low risk driver - and yet the DMV insists on the seat belt mandate
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  - sleavey 5y ago
    We weren't talking about mandates, but I'll bite. The difference is you don't have to trust the government to know seat belts save lives; the law on seat belts is common sense to anyone of sound mind. On the other hand, show me anyone who can see that getting an injection of some vaccine of unknown (to the average recipient) content and function is common sense. Note that I'm NOT making ANY claims about the vaccine efficacy or danger of lack thereof, simply that a typical individual can't look at the clear liquid in the syringe and innately know that it saves lives. It necessarily requires faith in government or medical institutions or doctors who tell us they are safe. Seat belts don't require such faith, so such mandates can't be compared like for like.
    - foogazi 5y ago
      > On the other hand, show me anyone who can see that getting an injection of some vaccine of unknown (to the average recipient) content and function is common sense. no one possesses full knowledge about everything in the world so trust is part of life. When you get a prescription do you trust the doctor, the pharmacist & the pharma co ? When you get on an airplane- do you trust the crew & the FAA ? When you consume food you trust the cook & the FDA? It’s trust all the way down - of course it’s all ok until it isn’t
kelnos 5y ago
Carrying unvaccinated means you have a much higher risk of carrying the disease without knowing it, and passing it on to someone who does not share your low-risk profile. Did you include that when you "ran the numbers"?
- giga_chad 5y ago
  Yes, not my problem.
- rytcio 5y ago
  People who are afraid of or at risk of covid should be the ones staying home. Not healthy people.
- bad_username 5y ago
  Since the vaccines alleviate symptoms but do not prevent transmission, wouldn't the vaccinated be more likely to spread unwittingly?
yibg 5y ago
Personally I'd be fine if people went unvaccinated and choose to take the risk for themselves. But at the same time they should also carry the cost if they need extensive medical treatment. Similarly to how drivers with a history of accidents pay more for insurance.
- giga_chad 5y ago
  No, why would I pay more? In my country everyone pays the same health insurance contributions and gets the same standard of treatment.
- sleavey 5y ago
  Would you be in favour of applying this policy to all people displaying behaviours deemed at higher risk of requiring hospital treatment? And who should decide what constitutes risky activity?
  - yibg 5y ago
    Not common and certainly changing in some ways but for example smoking had been deemed high risk. There are ways to model the risk here for at least some activities. Eg do you have a lot of speeding tickets? Car insurance goes up.

sleavey 5y ago

I did the same calculation and came to a similar conclusion. Here's one such calculator: https://www.qcovid.org/Calculation https://www.qcovid.org/Calculation. There are others based on more recent data, as well as papers and government data with age-stratified hospitalisations and deaths by vaccination status. Many seem to have forgotten life is not risk free.

foogazi 5y ago
All these years I could have been driving without a seat belt - my insurance company’s says I’m a low risk driver - and yet the DMV insists on the seat belt mandate
- deleted 5y ago
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- sleavey 5y ago
  We weren't talking about mandates, but I'll bite. The difference is you don't have to trust the government to know seat belts save lives; the law on seat belts is common sense to anyone of sound mind. On the other hand, show me anyone who can see that getting an injection of some vaccine of unknown (to the average recipient) content and function is common sense. Note that I'm NOT making ANY claims about the vaccine efficacy or danger of lack thereof, simply that a typical individual can't look at the clear liquid in the syringe and innately know that it saves lives. It necessarily requires faith in government or medical institutions or doctors who tell us they are safe. Seat belts don't require such faith, so such mandates can't be compared like for like.
  - foogazi 5y ago
    > On the other hand, show me anyone who can see that getting an injection of some vaccine of unknown (to the average recipient) content and function is common sense. no one possesses full knowledge about everything in the world so trust is part of life. When you get a prescription do you trust the doctor, the pharmacist & the pharma co ? When you get on an airplane- do you trust the crew & the FAA ? When you consume food you trust the cook & the FDA? It’s trust all the way down - of course it’s all ok until it isn’t

kelnos 5y ago

Carrying unvaccinated means you have a much higher risk of carrying the disease without knowing it, and passing it on to someone who does not share your low-risk profile. Did you include that when you "ran the numbers"?

giga_chad 5y ago
Yes, not my problem.
rytcio 5y ago
People who are afraid of or at risk of covid should be the ones staying home. Not healthy people.
bad_username 5y ago
Since the vaccines alleviate symptoms but do not prevent transmission, wouldn't the vaccinated be more likely to spread unwittingly?

yibg 5y ago

Personally I'd be fine if people went unvaccinated and choose to take the risk for themselves. But at the same time they should also carry the cost if they need extensive medical treatment. Similarly to how drivers with a history of accidents pay more for insurance.

giga_chad 5y ago
No, why would I pay more? In my country everyone pays the same health insurance contributions and gets the same standard of treatment.
sleavey 5y ago
Would you be in favour of applying this policy to all people displaying behaviours deemed at higher risk of requiring hospital treatment? And who should decide what constitutes risky activity?
- yibg 5y ago
  Not common and certainly changing in some ways but for example smoking had been deemed high risk. There are ways to model the risk here for at least some activities. Eg do you have a lot of speeding tickets? Car insurance goes up.