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The funny thing is that Amazon really stresses their leadership principles and I recall one of them being "have a backbone", basically to disagree with anyone i

The funny thing is that Amazon really stresses their leadership principles and I recall one of them being "have a backbone", basically to disagree with anyone if you know you're right. I can see how he snapped over his moron manager bringing gender into things.

hackernews777 5y ago
The other half of that is Disagree and Commit. (https://www.amazon.jobs/en/principles https://www.amazon.jobs/en/principles) The concept being that supposedly everyone is free to make their best case for a course of action, but once a decision has been made everyone is expected to fully commit to the decision.
rkk3 5y ago
>> I gave my manager a piece of my mind. She brought gender into the equation and said that I couldn’t speak to a girl like that > I can see how he snapped over his moron manager bringing gender into things. he "snapped", then they "brought up gender". Since it sounds like he was fired for cause he probably called them a B!#$^ or C@!$, but who knows.
- thebruce87m 5y ago
  I don’t use those words at work or otherwise, but aren’t they both gender neutral as derogatory terms? At least in modern times?
  - fumer 5y ago
    > I don’t use those words at work or otherwise, but aren’t they both gender neutral as derogatory terms? At least in modern times? If a new hire presents himself as a threat to your career and/or your job, you're already in hot water because your team is spiraling out of control, and you get called out in your attempt to throw someone under the bus... Would you double-down with your self-preservation shtick, or would you have a sudden change of heart regarding taking the high road and just listen to criticism as a path to growth? Oh, you'd be desperately holding onto whatever opportunity might present itself to save your behind, even if that involves turning yourself into a inclusion champion at the expense of a sacrificial lamb. After all, who is going to fire a manager who is an inclusion spokesperson and has already been subjected first-hand to gender abuse within the company?
  - rkk3 5y ago
    > aren’t they both gender neutral as derogatory terms? At least in modern times? Assuming you aren't trolling, No they aren't gender neutral, they have significantly different implications based on who you say it to just like racially pejorative terms.
    - thebruce87m 5y ago
      Not trolling at all. Cunt is fairly common in the UK for males talking to male friends. Bitch is less common in the UK, but I used to hear it all the time on US centric gaming chat which was primarily males talking to males. Edit: can’t believe my root comment got downvotes for asking a genuine question.
      - rkk3 5y ago
        Ah cultural differences, didn't occur to me. Both terms are significantly more offensive in the US when applied to women.

hackernews777 5y ago

The other half of that is Disagree and Commit. (https://www.amazon.jobs/en/principles https://www.amazon.jobs/en/principles) The concept being that supposedly everyone is free to make their best case for a course of action, but once a decision has been made everyone is expected to fully commit to the decision.

rkk3 5y ago

>> I gave my manager a piece of my mind. She brought gender into the equation and said that I couldn’t speak to a girl like that > I can see how he snapped over his moron manager bringing gender into things. he "snapped", then they "brought up gender". Since it sounds like he was fired for cause he probably called them a B!#$^ or C@!$, but who knows.

thebruce87m 5y ago
I don’t use those words at work or otherwise, but aren’t they both gender neutral as derogatory terms? At least in modern times?
- fumer 5y ago
  > I don’t use those words at work or otherwise, but aren’t they both gender neutral as derogatory terms? At least in modern times? If a new hire presents himself as a threat to your career and/or your job, you're already in hot water because your team is spiraling out of control, and you get called out in your attempt to throw someone under the bus... Would you double-down with your self-preservation shtick, or would you have a sudden change of heart regarding taking the high road and just listen to criticism as a path to growth? Oh, you'd be desperately holding onto whatever opportunity might present itself to save your behind, even if that involves turning yourself into a inclusion champion at the expense of a sacrificial lamb. After all, who is going to fire a manager who is an inclusion spokesperson and has already been subjected first-hand to gender abuse within the company?
- rkk3 5y ago
  > aren’t they both gender neutral as derogatory terms? At least in modern times? Assuming you aren't trolling, No they aren't gender neutral, they have significantly different implications based on who you say it to just like racially pejorative terms.
  - thebruce87m 5y ago
    Not trolling at all. Cunt is fairly common in the UK for males talking to male friends. Bitch is less common in the UK, but I used to hear it all the time on US centric gaming chat which was primarily males talking to males. Edit: can’t believe my root comment got downvotes for asking a genuine question.
    - rkk3 5y ago
      Ah cultural differences, didn't occur to me. Both terms are significantly more offensive in the US when applied to women.