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I'd say it's long time past recommending "clean" anything. Every time I hear someone talk about "clean" writing, "clean" design, "clean" code, or anything else
by poulsbohemian 5y ago
I'd say it's long time past recommending "clean" anything. Every time I hear someone talk about "clean" writing, "clean" design, "clean" code, or anything else I want to vomit because it's meaningless noise. You challenge that same person to define clean and they spew out nonsense. Production of any creative work, whether it's architecture, code, writing, design, etc is hard and messy. Compromises are made. I can't help but think of Christoper Alexander, IE: the timeless way - yes, there is a something there, and it tends to be minimalistic, but is that "clean?" I just want to have conversations without pithy language.
- 46756e 5y agoClean code is specifically a book about how to write code well. This isn't criticizing writing clean code, but specifically what that book recommends programmers do. I wouldn't say the mission of trying to create "clean" code is a bad one. Certainly there is terrible code to read and maintain, which implies there are good ways to write code.
- poulsbohemian 5y agoI completely understand that it's about a specific book. My beef is with the fluffy, imprecise language that gets used when discussing quality standards.
- mnd999 5y ago“Modern” is the same. It means basically fuck all.
- poulsbohemian 5y agoAmen brother / sister! "Premium" is another that chaps my hide.
- throwaway19937 5y agoModern normally means either that it's an unattractive building/artwork/sculpture or that it's implemented in JavaScript.