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As you say, we've been working on solid adsorption for a long time now. Nothing has left the lab. The video presents an optimistic future, but we don't even hav
by ddek 5y ago
As you say, we've been working on solid adsorption for a long time now. Nothing has left the lab. The video presents an optimistic future, but we don't even have the basics yet.
Firstly, there is a fundamental issue - H² doesn't really give you anything to work with. The vast majority of compounds have two protons, two neutrons (rare isotopes have more protons). [They're distributed in the most boring orbitals, just spheres with no real edge to gain leverage.](https://winter.group.shef.ac.uk/orbitron/atomic_orbitals/1s/index.html https://winter.group.shef.ac.uk/orbitron/atomic_orbitals/1s/...)
This lack of leverage makes surface adsorption tricky. The molecule gives us nothing to grab. You won't carefully craft a surface that can hold H².
I think right now there's a focus on activated carbon. That's become a bit of a synonym for 'graphene', with it's well known limitations.
When I studied the subject, metal-organic complexes were the focus. These would be extremely customisable, but if they worked we'd probably have seen by now. They tended to use heavy metals. I wasn't optimistic at the time, I thought anything using materials past the 4th row of the periodic table was unrealistic. As the metals get heavier they get expensive and sometimes rare. If we want to solve a common problem, we need common components. If your solution has lanthanoid, it won't scale.
I was right btw. The research group closed when funding was reallocated. Each experiment ran the research budget of another group. MoC's don't really get much love any more.
Anyway, we should probably think about what makes a good hydrogen adsorption material. I think it's pretty simple, you want a material that: stores a high density of hydrogen, is reusable, quickly picks up hydrogen, and quickly releases hydrogen.
The latter 2 categories is the 'kinetics'. Of the materials we know, all (literally all) that have 'good' kinetics are either single use or low density. Conversely, all that are both multi use and relatively high density have poor kinetics. Additionally, most of those with good kinetics have unrealistic conditions, like requiring 400˚C temperature to release the hydrogen.
- zoomablemind 5y agoFrom a realm of sustainability, it'd be cool to dream up a way for having bioships [1], so that the energy would be accumulated in the structure while still on the ground, then metabolised while in-flight. Well, SkyMoos [2] would also be nice to have around. [1]:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioship https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioship [2]:https://aliens.fandom.com/wiki/Skymoo https://aliens.fandom.com/wiki/Skymoo
- drran 5y agoLENR scientists are using palladium and nickel to compress hydrogen up to 100k atmospheres (90 hydrogen atoms per 1 atom of palladium) at room temperature and pressure.
- ddek 5y agoNo? LENR is not a particularly active field of research. The most recent noteworthy paper is a well funded, failed, replication. It is a pipedream. There are almost no LENR scientists. I can't see any noteworthy papers for PdNi as a hydrogen storage mechanism. It's capability to absorb (hold within its structure; not adsorb, to hold on surface) hydrogen has been known for a century, if it had utility we would know by now.
- drran 5y agohttps://patents.google.com/patent/US10507452B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10507452B2/en
- tuatoru 5y agoI'm glad I prompted an expert to comment! Thanks.