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I used to rant about paying so much extra for Apple hardware and call it the "Apple tax" too, but the truth is, no one else makes good laptops. You're paying fo

I used to rant about paying so much extra for Apple hardware and call it the "Apple tax" too, but the truth is, no one else makes good laptops. You're paying for more than simply the brand. I spent a fortune on a Lenovo X1 Extreme, and the thing bricked itself three times in 14 months, the last of which was outside the warranty window, and it's now basically impossible to get repaired (I couldn't even get anyone to look at it, and Lenovo is no help at all). Even if it weren't bricked, the shitty plastic case is already getting loose (the display hinge is loose/wobbly and squeaky); the speakers sound terrible; it's loud; it gets unbearably hot. Dell laptops are pretty good with Linux, but the build quality is similarly poor. Linux-first laptops like System 76's are clunky and inferior. It's really hard to beat MacBooks on a hardware level. I'd love to run Linux on one.

qudat 5y ago
This has been my fear as well when looking at other laptops. In terms of hardware and build quality, apple is crushing it with m1 mpb. However, I just received my framework laptop and am totally excited by it. The build quality is pretty good compared to my 2019 15” intel mbp. It feels like a hunk of metal, similar to mbp. I love the size, the monitor is great, keyboard is much better, and all the parts are replaceable. Running arch with zero issues so far (although i havent tried bluetooth or fingerprint reader yet). The battery doesnt seem great (8hr real use) and the speakers are not even close to my mbp. Other than those two items (both of which are fixable with battery pack + headphones) I find the offerings very similar.
- caymanjim 5y ago
  > The battery doesnt seem great (8hr real use) Eight hours of real use is fantastic. I've never gotten more than eight hours out of a MBP while doing actual work; it's usually more like 4-5 hours, if I'd doing things like running Docker and frequently doing builds and running tests. Laptop manufacturers stretch their battery life claims like crazy. My MBP will last 12 hours if all I'm doing is using a terminal to SSH somewhere and doing very light web browsing, but if I'm doing dev work, forget it.

qudat 5y ago

This has been my fear as well when looking at other laptops. In terms of hardware and build quality, apple is crushing it with m1 mpb. However, I just received my framework laptop and am totally excited by it. The build quality is pretty good compared to my 2019 15” intel mbp. It feels like a hunk of metal, similar to mbp. I love the size, the monitor is great, keyboard is much better, and all the parts are replaceable. Running arch with zero issues so far (although i havent tried bluetooth or fingerprint reader yet). The battery doesnt seem great (8hr real use) and the speakers are not even close to my mbp. Other than those two items (both of which are fixable with battery pack + headphones) I find the offerings very similar.

caymanjim 5y ago
> The battery doesnt seem great (8hr real use) Eight hours of real use is fantastic. I've never gotten more than eight hours out of a MBP while doing actual work; it's usually more like 4-5 hours, if I'd doing things like running Docker and frequently doing builds and running tests. Laptop manufacturers stretch their battery life claims like crazy. My MBP will last 12 hours if all I'm doing is using a terminal to SSH somewhere and doing very light web browsing, but if I'm doing dev work, forget it.