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I don't know if you're being serious or trolling. Nice way to move blame. Let's use your logic further. Why is every house in the US filled with stuff importe

I don't know if you're being serious or trolling. Nice way to move blame. Let's use your logic further. Why is every house in the US filled with stuff imported from China, a country that is responsible for some of the most egregious, disgusting human rights abuses again? Why do US consumers (I'm sure you including) continue to buy items manufactured in China, a country that is responsible for some of the most egregious, disgusting human rights abuses again? Why US has China as its top trading partner, a country that is responsible for some of the most egregious, disgusting human rights abuses again? This list can carry on forever... After few hundred billions worth of trade between US and China, suddenly the problem starts with Apple?

fsflover 5y ago
All questions look reasonable to me. It doesn't mean that you should abruptly stop doing any business with China, but that you (and Apple!) should at least start thinking how to change that.
- HatchedLake721 5y ago
  > but that you (and Apple!) should at least start thinking how to change that Since when me, you or Apple are world police on how countries, people and different cultures should live their lives? If we want to change the world, we should start with ourselves, our own homes and lead by example. Last time I remembered, Guantanamo, known for detention without trial, torture and major human right abuses is still open to this day. Wouldn't it be better for us to focus and fix our problems first (the same problems we accuse others being guilty of), rather than expect Apple or any other business to suddenly have a duty to teach morals to a country 5x the population and 7,000 miles away?
  - paulryanrogers 5y ago
    Why not both? Let's push to close Guantanamo and reduce reliance regimes that oppress the rights of millions more.
    - chrischen 5y ago
      You can’t really do both if you aren’t doing one of the things.
      - paulryanrogers 5y ago
        Plenty of us are trying, even if only by voting for candidates who claim they will and personally boycotting.
- AussieWog93 5y ago
  >It doesn't mean that you should abruptly stop doing any business with China, but that you (and Apple!) should at least start thinking how to change that. Honestly, the CCP are doing a damn fine job of that themselves - scaring away foreign investors and businesses and dragging their own country's reputation through the mud. I rely on China for sourcing goods for my business, and I would genuinely switch away from them in a heartbeat if the same industry existed anywhere else (not just for moral reasons; I'm genuinely worried about some idiotic government intervention or international sanctions). Vietnam, please hurry up!
  - emptysongglass 5y ago
    Isn't Vietnam set up with an equally stacked regime that given power and international influence stands to look a lot like yet another autocracy? If you don't think so, I'd appreciate an analysis why not.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      Yes, Vietnam essentially has the exact same political system as China. Vietnam is not a strategic competitor of the United States so we pretend it's different.
      - AussieWog93 5y ago
        There are definitely some quite noticeable differences. Far less censorship, far less party interference in everyday life, no one person in control of everything (and that is by design), and a very different history (The Vietnamese Communists fought for independence, and Ho even asked the US for support before going to the Soviets. The CCP, on the other hand fought for control of what was at that stage an already independent country "liberated" by the KMT). Saying China and Vietnam are the same is like saying Gorbachev and Stalin were the same. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if Vietnam continued to liberalise and peacefully transition to a democracy over the next 2-3 decades. The CCP, though, would let the country burn to the ground before they released their grip on power.
IncRnd 5y ago
I don't know if you're being serious or trolling, but those are reasonable questions.
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fsflover 5y ago

All questions look reasonable to me. It doesn't mean that you should abruptly stop doing any business with China, but that you (and Apple!) should at least start thinking how to change that.

HatchedLake721 5y ago
> but that you (and Apple!) should at least start thinking how to change that Since when me, you or Apple are world police on how countries, people and different cultures should live their lives? If we want to change the world, we should start with ourselves, our own homes and lead by example. Last time I remembered, Guantanamo, known for detention without trial, torture and major human right abuses is still open to this day. Wouldn't it be better for us to focus and fix our problems first (the same problems we accuse others being guilty of), rather than expect Apple or any other business to suddenly have a duty to teach morals to a country 5x the population and 7,000 miles away?
- paulryanrogers 5y ago
  Why not both? Let's push to close Guantanamo and reduce reliance regimes that oppress the rights of millions more.
  - chrischen 5y ago
    You can’t really do both if you aren’t doing one of the things.
    - paulryanrogers 5y ago
      Plenty of us are trying, even if only by voting for candidates who claim they will and personally boycotting.
AussieWog93 5y ago
>It doesn't mean that you should abruptly stop doing any business with China, but that you (and Apple!) should at least start thinking how to change that. Honestly, the CCP are doing a damn fine job of that themselves - scaring away foreign investors and businesses and dragging their own country's reputation through the mud. I rely on China for sourcing goods for my business, and I would genuinely switch away from them in a heartbeat if the same industry existed anywhere else (not just for moral reasons; I'm genuinely worried about some idiotic government intervention or international sanctions). Vietnam, please hurry up!
- emptysongglass 5y ago
  Isn't Vietnam set up with an equally stacked regime that given power and international influence stands to look a lot like yet another autocracy? If you don't think so, I'd appreciate an analysis why not.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    Yes, Vietnam essentially has the exact same political system as China. Vietnam is not a strategic competitor of the United States so we pretend it's different.
    - AussieWog93 5y ago
      There are definitely some quite noticeable differences. Far less censorship, far less party interference in everyday life, no one person in control of everything (and that is by design), and a very different history (The Vietnamese Communists fought for independence, and Ho even asked the US for support before going to the Soviets. The CCP, on the other hand fought for control of what was at that stage an already independent country "liberated" by the KMT). Saying China and Vietnam are the same is like saying Gorbachev and Stalin were the same. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if Vietnam continued to liberalise and peacefully transition to a democracy over the next 2-3 decades. The CCP, though, would let the country burn to the ground before they released their grip on power.

IncRnd 5y ago

I don't know if you're being serious or trolling, but those are reasonable questions.

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