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Has Ethereum ever met a roadmap deadline?

37ef_ced3 5y ago
Proof-of-stake was scheduled for December 2021, but it slipped to first-half 2022. Don't kid yourself, it won't slip forever. This is going to happen, soon.
- zucker42 5y ago
  It's going to happen at some point, I agree, but I wouldn't count on it by mid-2022, which is important if you are looking to buy a GPU. The fact that my 1060 is valued at 150% it's launch price indicates that miners are also pessimistic about the speed of a full POS transition. Plus, I'm not convinced that the transition will go entirely smoothly. Obviously it would be in miners interest to prevent the POS transition, and if there's a bug or problems with the new chain I could totally see a fork or political pressure to delay things further (I don't think either is likely, simply possible).
capableweb 5y ago
Have you ever sought out to see which deadlines the Ethereum Foundation has setup and met? The only ones you'd read about online would be the ones that missed the deadline. But if you look at the previous milestones (like the Berlin upgrade), they all had their deadlines met correctly.
- cryptica 5y ago
  Are you telling us that one of the most popular cryptocurrency projects on the face of the planet which has access to thousands of the so-called 'brightest engineering minds' on the planet, after over 5 years, with billions of $ of funding at its disposal, has managed to make a minuscule change to its fee system? Wow, they're truly outdone themselves. What an exceptional team. I wonder how many Ethereum developers it takes to change a lightbulb...
  - miracle2k 5y ago
    Many changes have been made, including a major upgrade to the fee system, with changes needing buy-in from many stakeholders. This is a network responsible for billions of dollars in value Or maybe it's monopoly money, but critics always like to have it both ways, don't they. It's real when poor victims are losing it, but fake otherwise. It's all pretend, except when something goes wrong, then the teams running it are suddenly irresponsible.
    - cryptica 5y ago
      Nothing ever goes wrong. A multi-million dollar hack is called a 'minor hiccup.' Missing a deadline by 5% of an entire lifetime is called 'a small delay' or 'a misunderstanding'. If they deliver within 10 generations, they will call it 'a resounding success, exceeding our wildest estimates.'
  - capableweb 5y ago
    I think you vastly underestimate the difficulty on running a global network like that, with multiple parties who almost all have different goals and motivations. I thought HN was supposed to be better than that. Changing the tweet length on Twitter is hardly just changing the column limit, there is so much more work behind the scenes. At least with Ethereum you could (if you're interested, doesn't seem like you are) see all the changes they had to go through in order to get that change on the network.
    - cryptica 5y ago
      Total BS. I'm a blockchain developer and I worked on a project worth half a billion $ and we made far bigger changes than that in less than 2 years... With a far smaller team... Without even a single 'rock star developer'. Either Ethereum devs are the dimmest minds in the industry or there is something seriously wrong at the foundational level of the Ethereum code itself.
      - capableweb 5y ago
        > I'm a blockchain developer Welcome to the club :) > I worked on a project worth half a billion $ Wow! > With a far smaller team... There you go! Of course it's easier to change stuff when the scale is smaller. The difficulty of implementing something scales with the number of people working on it. If you're just one person (or a small team), changes are easy to work through. But if you're 100+ developers, multiple foundations and also private companies, even changes that are small will take a long time to go through the process. > Either Ethereum devs are the dimmest minds in the industry or there is something seriously wrong at the foundational level of the Ethereum code itself. Taking long time to change the core protocol is by design (it's a feature, not a bug), so everything is working correctly.
- zucker42 5y ago
  Well yes, I have paid close attention to some of the major deadlines. That's why I was asking here, to see if there was a major deadline they met that I missed. Because everytime I look at a roadmap, dates have slipped from the last roadmap. It's pretty clear that Ethereum's team has a chronic problem with overly optimistic forecasting.
SilasX 5y ago
Has Ethereum put every deadline on indefinite hold?
TimJRobinson 5y ago
It's actually got a testnet running now, so it won't be long before the merge and switch to PoS happens.

Proof-of-stake was scheduled for December 2021, but it slipped to first-half 2022. Don't kid yourself, it won't slip forever. This is going to happen, soon.

zucker42 5y ago
It's going to happen at some point, I agree, but I wouldn't count on it by mid-2022, which is important if you are looking to buy a GPU. The fact that my 1060 is valued at 150% it's launch price indicates that miners are also pessimistic about the speed of a full POS transition. Plus, I'm not convinced that the transition will go entirely smoothly. Obviously it would be in miners interest to prevent the POS transition, and if there's a bug or problems with the new chain I could totally see a fork or political pressure to delay things further (I don't think either is likely, simply possible).

capableweb 5y ago

Have you ever sought out to see which deadlines the Ethereum Foundation has setup and met? The only ones you'd read about online would be the ones that missed the deadline. But if you look at the previous milestones (like the Berlin upgrade), they all had their deadlines met correctly.

cryptica 5y ago
Are you telling us that one of the most popular cryptocurrency projects on the face of the planet which has access to thousands of the so-called 'brightest engineering minds' on the planet, after over 5 years, with billions of $ of funding at its disposal, has managed to make a minuscule change to its fee system? Wow, they're truly outdone themselves. What an exceptional team. I wonder how many Ethereum developers it takes to change a lightbulb...
- miracle2k 5y ago
  Many changes have been made, including a major upgrade to the fee system, with changes needing buy-in from many stakeholders. This is a network responsible for billions of dollars in value Or maybe it's monopoly money, but critics always like to have it both ways, don't they. It's real when poor victims are losing it, but fake otherwise. It's all pretend, except when something goes wrong, then the teams running it are suddenly irresponsible.
  - cryptica 5y ago
    Nothing ever goes wrong. A multi-million dollar hack is called a 'minor hiccup.' Missing a deadline by 5% of an entire lifetime is called 'a small delay' or 'a misunderstanding'. If they deliver within 10 generations, they will call it 'a resounding success, exceeding our wildest estimates.'
- capableweb 5y ago
  I think you vastly underestimate the difficulty on running a global network like that, with multiple parties who almost all have different goals and motivations. I thought HN was supposed to be better than that. Changing the tweet length on Twitter is hardly just changing the column limit, there is so much more work behind the scenes. At least with Ethereum you could (if you're interested, doesn't seem like you are) see all the changes they had to go through in order to get that change on the network.
  - cryptica 5y ago
    Total BS. I'm a blockchain developer and I worked on a project worth half a billion $ and we made far bigger changes than that in less than 2 years... With a far smaller team... Without even a single 'rock star developer'. Either Ethereum devs are the dimmest minds in the industry or there is something seriously wrong at the foundational level of the Ethereum code itself.
    - capableweb 5y ago
      > I'm a blockchain developer Welcome to the club :) > I worked on a project worth half a billion $ Wow! > With a far smaller team... There you go! Of course it's easier to change stuff when the scale is smaller. The difficulty of implementing something scales with the number of people working on it. If you're just one person (or a small team), changes are easy to work through. But if you're 100+ developers, multiple foundations and also private companies, even changes that are small will take a long time to go through the process. > Either Ethereum devs are the dimmest minds in the industry or there is something seriously wrong at the foundational level of the Ethereum code itself. Taking long time to change the core protocol is by design (it's a feature, not a bug), so everything is working correctly.
zucker42 5y ago
Well yes, I have paid close attention to some of the major deadlines. That's why I was asking here, to see if there was a major deadline they met that I missed. Because everytime I look at a roadmap, dates have slipped from the last roadmap. It's pretty clear that Ethereum's team has a chronic problem with overly optimistic forecasting.

SilasX 5y ago

Has Ethereum put every deadline on indefinite hold?

TimJRobinson 5y ago

It's actually got a testnet running now, so it won't be long before the merge and switch to PoS happens.