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"“When you call the police on a Black or Brown person, there’s a good chance you are putting their life in danger. I don’t think that is a thing one should do l

by beaner 5y ago

"“When you call the police on a Black or Brown person, there’s a good chance you are putting their life in danger. I don’t think that is a thing one should do lightly.” Statistically this is False. It's driving a lot of current policy pushes and the people who repeat it most are the ones who pay the most lip service to fighting dis/mis-information, but it's not actually true.

jjwiseman 5y ago
Could a mod try googling "beaner" and look at what the top results are?
NoImmatureAdHom 5y ago
+1. The police in the U.S. only kill about 1000 people a year, out of 330,000,000. That's 0.000303%. To put it in perspective, there are about 50,000 suicides, 35,000 car crash deaths, and 30,000 people die from just falling down.
- angio 5y ago
  A thousand deaths per year is still an astronomical number considering police kills less than 5 people per year in the UK.
  - NoImmatureAdHom 5y ago
    I think this viewpoint, commonly cited, is wrong. 1000/330m vs 5/60m (England and Wales) 36x (adjusting for population) a really small number is still a really small number. While all else equal I'd like to see the number reduced, there is much lower-hanging fruit elsewhere.
post_break 5y ago
I'm sorry what? I don't know how you come to that conclusion. Time and time again we see someone get called on a welfare check only to be shot to death. People are weaponizing the police because they are not trained to deescalate and their rules are engagement are basically comply or die.
- insickness 5y ago
  The number of instances you've seen news reports or social media posts of people shot to death due to calling police is in no way indicative of the percentage of times it happens when someone does call the police.
- beaner 5y ago
  Sure, here's a thread with sources: https://twitter.com/leonydusjohnson/status/1267466345844740098 https://twitter.com/leonydusjohnson/status/12674663458447400... > Time and time again we see someone get called on a welfare check only to be shot to death You really need to pierce your bubble and ask what else happens that might not be shown to you. The news isn't real. Not really, anyway. Every single outlet has a bias and "lying by omission" to shape a narrative is common. For example, did you know George Floyd is hardly the first person to have died under the knee of the police officer? At least 2 times before it, it was a minority officer killing a white man. You can watch it with your own eyes: Here's Tony Timpa being killed this way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-E_i8Q5G0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-E_i8Q5G0 Here's Joseph Hutcheson being killed this way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnsE6_lVkrE&list=LL&index=50&t=1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnsE6_lVkrE&list=LL&index=50... Another thing that's been so sad to watch recently is peoples' disbelief in how different the reality of the Kyle Rittenhouse situation is from how it is presented to them on the news, when they simply watch the actual trial. E.g.: https://twitter.com/sarahbeth345/status/1458593872557133825 https://twitter.com/sarahbeth345/status/1458593872557133825
  - dljsjr 5y ago
    That tweet you referenced is heavily cherry-picked: it talks about the results of violent-crime calls, and it doesn’t discuss location. There are two issues with this: 1. Civilians are also murdered by police who are responding to non-violent offenses. A good example here would be the classic “shot during a routine traffic stop” situation. That won’t show up in the stat from your sources. Your source tries to say that by “controlling for violent crime, the racial disparity goes away” but that doesn’t make any sense. 2. Huge disparity across different LEO organizations. For example, according to this Harvard study, in Chicago the racial bias in the statistics is much stronger than in other areas: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/blacks-whites-police-deaths-disparity/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/blacks-wh... That same study also concludes that once you account for and amortize things, you are still 3x more likely to die in an encounter with LEO if you are non white.
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by beaner 5y ago

jjwiseman 5y ago

Could a mod try googling "beaner" and look at what the top results are?

NoImmatureAdHom 5y ago

+1. The police in the U.S. only kill about 1000 people a year, out of 330,000,000. That's 0.000303%. To put it in perspective, there are about 50,000 suicides, 35,000 car crash deaths, and 30,000 people die from just falling down.

angio 5y ago
A thousand deaths per year is still an astronomical number considering police kills less than 5 people per year in the UK.
- NoImmatureAdHom 5y ago
  I think this viewpoint, commonly cited, is wrong. 1000/330m vs 5/60m (England and Wales) 36x (adjusting for population) a really small number is still a really small number. While all else equal I'd like to see the number reduced, there is much lower-hanging fruit elsewhere.

post_break 5y ago

I'm sorry what? I don't know how you come to that conclusion. Time and time again we see someone get called on a welfare check only to be shot to death. People are weaponizing the police because they are not trained to deescalate and their rules are engagement are basically comply or die.

insickness 5y ago
The number of instances you've seen news reports or social media posts of people shot to death due to calling police is in no way indicative of the percentage of times it happens when someone does call the police.
beaner 5y ago
Sure, here's a thread with sources: https://twitter.com/leonydusjohnson/status/1267466345844740098 https://twitter.com/leonydusjohnson/status/12674663458447400... > Time and time again we see someone get called on a welfare check only to be shot to death You really need to pierce your bubble and ask what else happens that might not be shown to you. The news isn't real. Not really, anyway. Every single outlet has a bias and "lying by omission" to shape a narrative is common. For example, did you know George Floyd is hardly the first person to have died under the knee of the police officer? At least 2 times before it, it was a minority officer killing a white man. You can watch it with your own eyes: Here's Tony Timpa being killed this way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-E_i8Q5G0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-E_i8Q5G0 Here's Joseph Hutcheson being killed this way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnsE6_lVkrE&list=LL&index=50&t=1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnsE6_lVkrE&list=LL&index=50... Another thing that's been so sad to watch recently is peoples' disbelief in how different the reality of the Kyle Rittenhouse situation is from how it is presented to them on the news, when they simply watch the actual trial. E.g.: https://twitter.com/sarahbeth345/status/1458593872557133825 https://twitter.com/sarahbeth345/status/1458593872557133825
- dljsjr 5y ago
  That tweet you referenced is heavily cherry-picked: it talks about the results of violent-crime calls, and it doesn’t discuss location. There are two issues with this: 1. Civilians are also murdered by police who are responding to non-violent offenses. A good example here would be the classic “shot during a routine traffic stop” situation. That won’t show up in the stat from your sources. Your source tries to say that by “controlling for violent crime, the racial disparity goes away” but that doesn’t make any sense. 2. Huge disparity across different LEO organizations. For example, according to this Harvard study, in Chicago the racial bias in the statistics is much stronger than in other areas: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/blacks-whites-police-deaths-disparity/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/blacks-wh... That same study also concludes that once you account for and amortize things, you are still 3x more likely to die in an encounter with LEO if you are non white.

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