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Is this a real option? Everything I've read about using the Pinephone suggests it's still very much a beta experience - missing drivers, buggy features etc. It

Is this a real option? Everything I've read about using the Pinephone suggests it's still very much a beta experience - missing drivers, buggy features etc. It also doesn't support any of the 3rd party apps I use - banking apps, maps, transit planning, whatsapp, spotify etc. There's a more compelling argument for using an AOSP based build without the Google apps - at least then you've got a pretty solid operating system. But you again are excluding a lot of apps - eg banking apps, which do security checks and don't like running on that environment. I was at a pub recently with a colleague who does that, and to install the pub's ordering app (without which he couldn't order a drink - thanks covid!) he had to download an APK from a forum. Hardly a secure operation.

fsflover 5y ago
> missing drivers, buggy features etc. It works fine 95% of the time. For many people, it can already make a daily driver (I daily drive mine). Sometimes it's slow though (which is why I recommend Librem 5, waiting for mine to arrive). > It also doesn't support any of the 3rd party apps I use - banking apps The real problem is that banks and government are forcing users into the duopoly. You should complain and change your bank if this is the case. > whatsapp, spotify Working, if you use Anbox and/or Waydroid. > maps Maps are working good enough for me. > transit planning This is actually a real problem.
- dlivingston 5y ago
  > It works fine 95% of the time. A phone is a frankly critical device these days. 95% is not good enough for daily driving. I need >99% guarantee that phone calls and text messages will come through and behave appropriately. I need modern apps like Lyft, Spotify, Tesla (“car key”), and banking.
  - crowbahr 5y ago
    Part of the issue with librem/pine is absolutely 0 way to monetize apps for the phones besides ads. So even if a developer wanted to put in the effort to make a niche app for a tiny market share there's basically no way to make money on it besides charity. If pine/librem owners were willing to shell out $30 for each app you'd have people sitting up and taking note. But as is it's focused on the best efforts of very smart and charitable people, which is unfortunately too small a group to make things stable and widely supported.

fsflover 5y ago

> missing drivers, buggy features etc. It works fine 95% of the time. For many people, it can already make a daily driver (I daily drive mine). Sometimes it's slow though (which is why I recommend Librem 5, waiting for mine to arrive). > It also doesn't support any of the 3rd party apps I use - banking apps The real problem is that banks and government are forcing users into the duopoly. You should complain and change your bank if this is the case. > whatsapp, spotify Working, if you use Anbox and/or Waydroid. > maps Maps are working good enough for me. > transit planning This is actually a real problem.

dlivingston 5y ago
> It works fine 95% of the time. A phone is a frankly critical device these days. 95% is not good enough for daily driving. I need >99% guarantee that phone calls and text messages will come through and behave appropriately. I need modern apps like Lyft, Spotify, Tesla (“car key”), and banking.
- crowbahr 5y ago
  Part of the issue with librem/pine is absolutely 0 way to monetize apps for the phones besides ads. So even if a developer wanted to put in the effort to make a niche app for a tiny market share there's basically no way to make money on it besides charity. If pine/librem owners were willing to shell out $30 for each app you'd have people sitting up and taking note. But as is it's focused on the best efforts of very smart and charitable people, which is unfortunately too small a group to make things stable and widely supported.