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I just wish it was easier to control the data. The majority of consumers will never be tech-savvy. So a bunch of security cameras really means a bunch of secur

I just wish it was easier to control the data. The majority of consumers will never be tech-savvy. So a bunch of security cameras really means a bunch of security cameras whose software is 100% controlled by some central authority. I'd feel safer if it was controlled by the actual home-owner.

danuker 5y ago
With the GDPR in the EU, the chilling effects of complying with the regulation affect the homeowners, as opposed to a large company or government department. Just look at fines, and it should become clear who the law was written for: https://danuker.go.ro/gdpranoia.html#fines https://danuker.go.ro/gdpranoia.html#fines
ajmurmann 5y ago
This! Even as someone who is pretty tech savvy accomplishing this is hard enough that it's been a deterrent. You can get cheap setups that keep very limited data recorded locally, or easier at some central cloud provider. Local storage with cloud backup to S3 or similar that you control becomes so much more complicated and expensive.
- giantg2 5y ago
  I think local storage is generally fine. Depending on the format and frame rate, 2TB is reasonably cheap and can hold about a month of video from several cameras.
- gonehome 5y ago
  I think Unify setups are probably easiest: https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-protect https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-protect
shadowgovt 5y ago
Perhaps, not unlike the NRA originating from a perceived need to educate the citizenry widely on how to use firearms, a "National Observers Organization" is called for to help citizens self-organize, promulgate knowledge, and spread good security practices? I'm going to leave the naming up to someone else; "NOO" doesn't seem a great acronym for a popular organization.
- KineticLensman 5y ago
  STreet Awareness Zone Initiative?
- quickthrowman 5y ago
  I’ve got a couple suggestions: Stop Neighborhood Invasions; Together Creating Harmony / Nosy Ass Ridiculous Citizens
jinto36 5y ago
There are plenty of ways to do this without data going to the cloud. Plenty of non-cloud connected cameras- though many are more commercially oriented- and software that's reasonably priced like BlueIris. Everything is recorded in H264 so storage isn't crazy if you don't keep all of it forever. Many cameras also end up at (or can be set to) 10-15 FPS, which also cuts down storage requirements. BlueIris is actually pretty nice. I got a bunch of cameras from ebay and such- some wireless, some wired and POE powered- and just use BlueIris to manage them locally. Ended up with more cameras that I really needed, so I also have one permanently pointed at a bird feeder for fun...
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  Whatever the non cloud solutions are, they obviously are nowhere as cheap and easy as the cloud solutions based on the success of the cloud solutions. A solution that someone can pickup at Costco and setup via scanning some QR code in 10 minutes is always going to win versus spending an hour or many hours delving into networking and figuring out what equipment you need and troubleshooting. Nobody wants to deal with DDNS or port forwarding or other issues when trying to remotely access the video either.

danuker 5y ago

With the GDPR in the EU, the chilling effects of complying with the regulation affect the homeowners, as opposed to a large company or government department. Just look at fines, and it should become clear who the law was written for: https://danuker.go.ro/gdpranoia.html#fines https://danuker.go.ro/gdpranoia.html#fines

ajmurmann 5y ago

This! Even as someone who is pretty tech savvy accomplishing this is hard enough that it's been a deterrent. You can get cheap setups that keep very limited data recorded locally, or easier at some central cloud provider. Local storage with cloud backup to S3 or similar that you control becomes so much more complicated and expensive.

giantg2 5y ago
I think local storage is generally fine. Depending on the format and frame rate, 2TB is reasonably cheap and can hold about a month of video from several cameras.
gonehome 5y ago
I think Unify setups are probably easiest: https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-protect https://store.ui.com/collections/unifi-protect

shadowgovt 5y ago

Perhaps, not unlike the NRA originating from a perceived need to educate the citizenry widely on how to use firearms, a "National Observers Organization" is called for to help citizens self-organize, promulgate knowledge, and spread good security practices? I'm going to leave the naming up to someone else; "NOO" doesn't seem a great acronym for a popular organization.

KineticLensman 5y ago
STreet Awareness Zone Initiative?
quickthrowman 5y ago
I’ve got a couple suggestions: Stop Neighborhood Invasions; Together Creating Harmony / Nosy Ass Ridiculous Citizens

jinto36 5y ago

There are plenty of ways to do this without data going to the cloud. Plenty of non-cloud connected cameras- though many are more commercially oriented- and software that's reasonably priced like BlueIris. Everything is recorded in H264 so storage isn't crazy if you don't keep all of it forever. Many cameras also end up at (or can be set to) 10-15 FPS, which also cuts down storage requirements. BlueIris is actually pretty nice. I got a bunch of cameras from ebay and such- some wireless, some wired and POE powered- and just use BlueIris to manage them locally. Ended up with more cameras that I really needed, so I also have one permanently pointed at a bird feeder for fun...

lotsofpulp 5y ago
Whatever the non cloud solutions are, they obviously are nowhere as cheap and easy as the cloud solutions based on the success of the cloud solutions. A solution that someone can pickup at Costco and setup via scanning some QR code in 10 minutes is always going to win versus spending an hour or many hours delving into networking and figuring out what equipment you need and troubleshooting. Nobody wants to deal with DDNS or port forwarding or other issues when trying to remotely access the video either.