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I did recently discover that the Estonian standards agency makes ISO standards available, not for free, but significantly more cheaply than other sources I foun

I did recently discover that the Estonian standards agency makes ISO standards available, not for free, but significantly more cheaply than other sources I found when trying to locate standards (although I didn't end up using it so don't know any more than is on the public Web site): https://www.evs.ee/en/ https://www.evs.ee/en/

danbruc 5y ago
At least for some - I randomly picked ISO 8601-1:2019 - there is even an option to buy 24 hours of access. In this example a PDF from ISO [1] is €150, from EVS [2] €19 and 24 hours access is only €2.40. [1] https://www.iso.org/standard/70907.html https://www.iso.org/standard/70907.html [2] https://www.evs.ee/en/evs-iso-8601-1-2019 https://www.evs.ee/en/evs-iso-8601-1-2019
- atsaloli 5y ago
  As an IT Operations practitioner I want to better understand SQL, so I wanted to look at the SQL standard. What used to be one document is now over a dozen -- it seems that part 2 (SQL/Foundation) deals with the SQL language basics, which is what I need right now. It's about USD 250 via the Estonian web site (https://www.evs.ee/en/iso-iec-9075-2-2016 https://www.evs.ee/en/iso-iec-9075-2-2016) It's about USD 215 from ISO directly: https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:std:iso-iec:9075:-2:ed-5:v1:en https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:std:iso-iec:9075:-2:ed-5:v1:... I am a member of the ACM and I reached out to them but it's not in their digital library. I am looking for a legal yet economical way to obtain the standard. I am willing to pay $20 but not $200.
  - jeroenhd 5y ago
    I'm not sure if this is right, but the Dutch standards body seems to have this document available [0] for free with part of it available for evaluation [1] and it seems like it's the real deal. Most other parts of the standard a shit ton of money (>€200 per part, with over 12 paid parts), but some others [2] are free as well. There are also outdated versions of the document available for free or cheap if those suit your needs, but I'm sure you can find cheaper alternatives for that as well. I don't know if there are any requirements for access (like an address in the Netherlands, or Dutch citizenship) but it seems like you can just grab the standard from here completely legally. [0]: https://www.nen.nl/en/nen-iso-iec-9075-2-2016-c1-2019-en-263083 https://www.nen.nl/en/nen-iso-iec-9075-2-2016-c1-2019-en-263... [1]: https://www.nen.nl/en/norm/pdf/preview/document/263083/ https://www.nen.nl/en/norm/pdf/preview/document/263083/ [2]: https://www.nen.nl/en/nen-iso-iec-9075-9-2016-c1-2019-en-263078 https://www.nen.nl/en/nen-iso-iec-9075-9-2016-c1-2019-en-263... https://www.nen.nl/en/nen-iso-iec-9075-4-2016-c1-2019-en-263077 https://www.nen.nl/en/nen-iso-iec-9075-4-2016-c1-2019-en-263...
    - atsaloli 5y ago
      Thanks! But the only thing that's free is the corrigendum (corrections): https://www.nen.nl/en/nen-iso-iec-9075-2-2016-c1-2019-en-263083 https://www.nen.nl/en/nen-iso-iec-9075-2-2016-c1-2019-en-263... The rest is around 200 euros per part: https://www.nen.nl/en/elasticsearch/?search=9075&sortmode=asc&viewmode=list https://www.nen.nl/en/elasticsearch/?search=9075&sortmode=as...
      - jeroenhd 5y ago
        Aw, shucks. I thought that was the complete version. I'd just pirate the damn thing if you weren't doing it for professional purposes.
        atsaloli 5y ago
        That's okay, I appreciate your efforts. Thank you!
  - traceroute66 5y ago
    In most cases, the answer to your problem is "you're using it wrong". On EVS, what you normally want to do is look up the EVS version, not the ISO/IEC version (because they also resell the original). The EVS version is the regional version, which is for all intensive purposes identical to the original version (the topic has been covered before on HN, I'll try to find the link to the original). But in your case it looks like unfortunately there isn't a regionalised version of 9075-2. ;-( But just to demonstrate my point, let's take ISO9000 ... ISO9000:2015 at EUR197.77 [1] EVS-EN ISO 9000:2015 at EUR33.49 [2] [1] https://www.evs.ee/en/iso-9000-2015 [2] https://www.evs.ee/en/evs-en-iso-9000-2015 Edit to add, if my understanding of the nomenclature is correct the BSI have a regionalised version (BS ISO/IEC 9075 1-4, 9-11, 13-14:2016) for GBP66 (or GBP33 for members)[3] [3]https://shop.bsigroup.com/products/information-technology-database-languages-sql
    - atsaloli 5y ago
      Understood, thank you very much! I appreciate your effort to look into this.
    - pwdisswordfish8 5y ago
      > intensive purposes What
      - traceroute66 5y ago
        > intensive purposes > What Just checking the resident Grammar Police Officer is awake and not eating doughnuts. ;-)
      - atsaloli 5y ago
        intents and purposes https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/usage-for-all-intensive-purposes-intents https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/usage-for-all-...
- AnssiH 5y ago
  > PDF from ISO [1] is €150, from EVS [2] €19 Note that to get a non-DRM PDF from EVS, you need to select a multi-user license which makes it €28 minimum (inc. tax). But the paper version is also €19 + shipping.

danbruc 5y ago

At least for some - I randomly picked ISO 8601-1:2019 - there is even an option to buy 24 hours of access. In this example a PDF from ISO [1] is €150, from EVS [2] €19 and 24 hours access is only €2.40. [1] https://www.iso.org/standard/70907.html https://www.iso.org/standard/70907.html [2] https://www.evs.ee/en/evs-iso-8601-1-2019 https://www.evs.ee/en/evs-iso-8601-1-2019

atsaloli 5y ago
As an IT Operations practitioner I want to better understand SQL, so I wanted to look at the SQL standard. What used to be one document is now over a dozen -- it seems that part 2 (SQL/Foundation) deals with the SQL language basics, which is what I need right now. It's about USD 250 via the Estonian web site (https://www.evs.ee/en/iso-iec-9075-2-2016 https://www.evs.ee/en/iso-iec-9075-2-2016) It's about USD 215 from ISO directly: https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:std:iso-iec:9075:-2:ed-5:v1:en https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:std:iso-iec:9075:-2:ed-5:v1:... I am a member of the ACM and I reached out to them but it's not in their digital library. I am looking for a legal yet economical way to obtain the standard. I am willing to pay $20 but not $200.
- jeroenhd 5y ago
  I'm not sure if this is right, but the Dutch standards body seems to have this document available [0] for free with part of it available for evaluation [1] and it seems like it's the real deal. Most other parts of the standard a shit ton of money (>€200 per part, with over 12 paid parts), but some others [2] are free as well. There are also outdated versions of the document available for free or cheap if those suit your needs, but I'm sure you can find cheaper alternatives for that as well. I don't know if there are any requirements for access (like an address in the Netherlands, or Dutch citizenship) but it seems like you can just grab the standard from here completely legally. [0]: https://www.nen.nl/en/nen-iso-iec-9075-2-2016-c1-2019-en-263083 https://www.nen.nl/en/nen-iso-iec-9075-2-2016-c1-2019-en-263... [1]: https://www.nen.nl/en/norm/pdf/preview/document/263083/ https://www.nen.nl/en/norm/pdf/preview/document/263083/ [2]: https://www.nen.nl/en/nen-iso-iec-9075-9-2016-c1-2019-en-263078 https://www.nen.nl/en/nen-iso-iec-9075-9-2016-c1-2019-en-263... https://www.nen.nl/en/nen-iso-iec-9075-4-2016-c1-2019-en-263077 https://www.nen.nl/en/nen-iso-iec-9075-4-2016-c1-2019-en-263...
  - atsaloli 5y ago
    Thanks! But the only thing that's free is the corrigendum (corrections): https://www.nen.nl/en/nen-iso-iec-9075-2-2016-c1-2019-en-263083 https://www.nen.nl/en/nen-iso-iec-9075-2-2016-c1-2019-en-263... The rest is around 200 euros per part: https://www.nen.nl/en/elasticsearch/?search=9075&sortmode=asc&viewmode=list https://www.nen.nl/en/elasticsearch/?search=9075&sortmode=as...
    - jeroenhd 5y ago
      Aw, shucks. I thought that was the complete version. I'd just pirate the damn thing if you weren't doing it for professional purposes.
      - atsaloli 5y ago
        That's okay, I appreciate your efforts. Thank you!
- traceroute66 5y ago
  In most cases, the answer to your problem is "you're using it wrong". On EVS, what you normally want to do is look up the EVS version, not the ISO/IEC version (because they also resell the original). The EVS version is the regional version, which is for all intensive purposes identical to the original version (the topic has been covered before on HN, I'll try to find the link to the original). But in your case it looks like unfortunately there isn't a regionalised version of 9075-2. ;-( But just to demonstrate my point, let's take ISO9000 ... ISO9000:2015 at EUR197.77 [1] EVS-EN ISO 9000:2015 at EUR33.49 [2] [1] https://www.evs.ee/en/iso-9000-2015 [2] https://www.evs.ee/en/evs-en-iso-9000-2015 Edit to add, if my understanding of the nomenclature is correct the BSI have a regionalised version (BS ISO/IEC 9075 1-4, 9-11, 13-14:2016) for GBP66 (or GBP33 for members)[3] [3]https://shop.bsigroup.com/products/information-technology-database-languages-sql
  - atsaloli 5y ago
    Understood, thank you very much! I appreciate your effort to look into this.
  - pwdisswordfish8 5y ago
    > intensive purposes What
    - traceroute66 5y ago
      > intensive purposes > What Just checking the resident Grammar Police Officer is awake and not eating doughnuts. ;-)
    - atsaloli 5y ago
      intents and purposes https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/usage-for-all-intensive-purposes-intents https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/usage-for-all-...
AnssiH 5y ago
> PDF from ISO [1] is €150, from EVS [2] €19 Note that to get a non-DRM PDF from EVS, you need to select a multi-user license which makes it €28 minimum (inc. tax). But the paper version is also €19 + shipping.