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OK. So what is to be done?

popcube 5y ago
call your Congressman?
Griffinsauce 5y ago
Support unions, vote for workers rights. Then again, in the US it's very hard to focus your vote like this due to the two-party system. So... work on getting a better political system in place?
- pverghese 5y ago
  Like the police union
  - Drakim 5y ago
    There are unions that behave badly, therefore unions as a concept is broken and should be abolished. Funny enough that logic never applies to corporations. If some corporations behave badly, murdering people, overthrowing democratically elected governments, kidnapping children, well, that's just how it is, we can't abolish corporations, even regulating them is criticized. Unions help the small guy though, so those are okay to trash.
    - Griffinsauce 5y ago
      IMHO the need for unions is a symptom of a poor political system (yes, this goes for my own country too, not US-bashing here). So yes they are broken and shouldn't _need_ to exist. That's a different argument though and I agree with your point.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  One party actually has advanced workers’ rights in recent decades.
FpUser 5y ago
For workers to fight for their rights / money. It is the only way. Owners will not out of blue get generous and decide to pay more money.
lmm 5y ago
Move somewhere better. Or eat the rich.
- JadeNB 5y ago
  > Move somewhere better. Or eat the rich. "Move somewhere better" is the response of the (relatively) rich. It says "I'm OK with this problem, as long as I don't have to be near it." That's an OK position to take sometimes—we have to pick our battles, and can't right all the ills of the world—but it's not really taking a moral stand.
  - lmm 5y ago
    I consider it the best chance of sending a message that might actually be heard.
coolso 5y ago
Legislative and executive action to disincentivize the manufacturing of cheap (and less cheap) goods produced overseas and incentivize the revival of US manufacturing. China is the reason Amazon is so big.
- FpUser 5y ago
  And who is going to pay for the goods most people would not be able to buy? You will relegate majority of the population to become destitute and may end up with a nice cozy revolt as the result. Some industries may be able to get away with it and still be competitive - ones that can replace people with robots. This would cause mass layoffs though. Decent guaranteed basic income could be a solution but something makes me think that North America would rather commit suicide than let people have something "for free" on large scale. >"China is the reason Amazon is so big." It was the decision of many US / other western manufacturers to outsource production to China. China was smart and used it to catapult itself from relative nobody to superpower it is today. The true reason is not China but a simple greed.

call your Congressman?

Support unions, vote for workers rights. Then again, in the US it's very hard to focus your vote like this due to the two-party system. So... work on getting a better political system in place?

pverghese 5y ago
Like the police union
- Drakim 5y ago
  There are unions that behave badly, therefore unions as a concept is broken and should be abolished. Funny enough that logic never applies to corporations. If some corporations behave badly, murdering people, overthrowing democratically elected governments, kidnapping children, well, that's just how it is, we can't abolish corporations, even regulating them is criticized. Unions help the small guy though, so those are okay to trash.
  - Griffinsauce 5y ago
    IMHO the need for unions is a symptom of a poor political system (yes, this goes for my own country too, not US-bashing here). So yes they are broken and shouldn't _need_ to exist. That's a different argument though and I agree with your point.
lotsofpulp 5y ago
One party actually has advanced workers’ rights in recent decades.

FpUser 5y ago

For workers to fight for their rights / money. It is the only way. Owners will not out of blue get generous and decide to pay more money.

lmm 5y ago

Move somewhere better. Or eat the rich.

JadeNB 5y ago
> Move somewhere better. Or eat the rich. "Move somewhere better" is the response of the (relatively) rich. It says "I'm OK with this problem, as long as I don't have to be near it." That's an OK position to take sometimes—we have to pick our battles, and can't right all the ills of the world—but it's not really taking a moral stand.
- lmm 5y ago
  I consider it the best chance of sending a message that might actually be heard.

coolso 5y ago

Legislative and executive action to disincentivize the manufacturing of cheap (and less cheap) goods produced overseas and incentivize the revival of US manufacturing. China is the reason Amazon is so big.

FpUser 5y ago
And who is going to pay for the goods most people would not be able to buy? You will relegate majority of the population to become destitute and may end up with a nice cozy revolt as the result. Some industries may be able to get away with it and still be competitive - ones that can replace people with robots. This would cause mass layoffs though. Decent guaranteed basic income could be a solution but something makes me think that North America would rather commit suicide than let people have something "for free" on large scale. >"China is the reason Amazon is so big." It was the decision of many US / other western manufacturers to outsource production to China. China was smart and used it to catapult itself from relative nobody to superpower it is today. The true reason is not China but a simple greed.