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These types of comments constantly come up. It's a false dichotomy. Following HN guidelines, I'll assume best intention rather than trolling or FUD. There are

by latch 5y ago

These types of comments constantly come up. It's a false dichotomy. Following HN guidelines, I'll assume best intention rather than trolling or FUD. There are other options than the two that you've described - namely VPS providers and dedicated providers. Can you help me understand why you thought those were the only two options? Maybe people who joined the industry after, say ~2010, were primarily exposed only to AWS?

judge2020 5y ago
I don’t think anyone is saying that VPS and dedicated server providers aren’t an option. Rather, most startups rule them out since, if you grow enough to where the administration control of the Cloud is warranted, that past decision now warrants a host migration and the month+ of planning that goes into that. Unless the company really started as a side-project whose main funding was extra cash from the founder, it doesn’t make sense to artificially limit your growth. Once more, it’s not like AWS is absolutely nothing. Chances are that any web-based startup would indeed be able to take advantage of the many autoscale-as-a-service features of AWS, enabling them to handle the next quarterly 100x increase in customers and throughout.
- aprdm 5y ago
  Feels to me like you have zero experience scaling outside the big cloud provider as this is simply not true
  - judge2020 5y ago
    I'm only talking about why you would choose a cloud provider over VPS/dedicated, not that they're the only possible choice if you want to scale, so I don't see what is "not true" about my comment.
throwaway2077 5y ago
>These types of comments constantly come up because triple++ digit margins enable cloud service providers to allocate vast amounts of money towards marketing.
- whatever1 5y ago
  Give us your contacts to us to receive our gift cards then.
  - throwaway2077 5y ago
    yeah, I should've clarified that I wasn't accusing you of being a shill. from what I observe, "cloud evangelists" spread their good news mostly through blogspam, talks and twitter circlejerk. I assume that most random people on the forums are just their victims.

by latch 5y ago

judge2020 5y ago

I don’t think anyone is saying that VPS and dedicated server providers aren’t an option. Rather, most startups rule them out since, if you grow enough to where the administration control of the Cloud is warranted, that past decision now warrants a host migration and the month+ of planning that goes into that. Unless the company really started as a side-project whose main funding was extra cash from the founder, it doesn’t make sense to artificially limit your growth. Once more, it’s not like AWS is absolutely nothing. Chances are that any web-based startup would indeed be able to take advantage of the many autoscale-as-a-service features of AWS, enabling them to handle the next quarterly 100x increase in customers and throughout.

aprdm 5y ago
Feels to me like you have zero experience scaling outside the big cloud provider as this is simply not true
- judge2020 5y ago
  I'm only talking about why you would choose a cloud provider over VPS/dedicated, not that they're the only possible choice if you want to scale, so I don't see what is "not true" about my comment.

throwaway2077 5y ago

>These types of comments constantly come up because triple++ digit margins enable cloud service providers to allocate vast amounts of money towards marketing.

whatever1 5y ago
Give us your contacts to us to receive our gift cards then.
- throwaway2077 5y ago
  yeah, I should've clarified that I wasn't accusing you of being a shill. from what I observe, "cloud evangelists" spread their good news mostly through blogspam, talks and twitter circlejerk. I assume that most random people on the forums are just their victims.