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Now that a significant number of programmers use Mac keyboard, I frequently see people go for the "International" layout that is available from every Apple stor

Now that a significant number of programmers use Mac keyboard, I frequently see people go for the "International" layout that is available from every Apple stores() for all keyboard including laptops. It's pretty close to the US layout, with a bigger entry key and two more keys as a bonus. () in some store I think it's the "GB international". Also, it's such as shame all layouts aren't available from all countries, when in practice ordering a laptop means having it shipped from China anyway.

gumby 5y ago
I think it’s partially a local inventory issue but more importantly reduces the chance the customer will accidentally order the wrong thing, at the cost of making an unusual case more complicated.
- makeitdouble 5y ago
  I wonder if beyond local inventory, there is a repair/support aspect to it. On the confusion part, I once went through phone support back and forth to get a BTO with a different keyboard. It didn't work, and I didn't get much info beyond shrugs. They basically tried to pass the order to the JP branch and it didn't pan out.
glandium 5y ago
There are significant differences in what's on shift+numbers. Like ( is on 8 and ) on 9. (IIRC they are on 9 and 0 on US keyboards) Other non alphabetical keys have different location too.
- Symbiote 5y ago
  No, you are describing several European layouts, but not those intended for English speakers The British, Irish and especially the "International" layout are close to the US layout.
  - glandium 5y ago
    I'm describing the Japanese layout.
akg_67 5y ago
I just ordered the new MBP with US Keyboard from Apple Store in Japan. Default is Japanese JIS keyboard. Drop down selection for keyboard also had other localities and language options.
pcardoso 5y ago
I use the normal Portuguese keyboards but with the US intl layout. Remnants from a time where my iBook g3 keyboard was US, and the Portuguese layout cost extra. I never got used to the Mac Portuguese layout either. Shortcut issues and some symbols in wrong places. Makes computers easier to resell locally when I upgrade.

gumby 5y ago

I think it’s partially a local inventory issue but more importantly reduces the chance the customer will accidentally order the wrong thing, at the cost of making an unusual case more complicated.

makeitdouble 5y ago
I wonder if beyond local inventory, there is a repair/support aspect to it. On the confusion part, I once went through phone support back and forth to get a BTO with a different keyboard. It didn't work, and I didn't get much info beyond shrugs. They basically tried to pass the order to the JP branch and it didn't pan out.

glandium 5y ago

There are significant differences in what's on shift+numbers. Like ( is on 8 and ) on 9. (IIRC they are on 9 and 0 on US keyboards) Other non alphabetical keys have different location too.

Symbiote 5y ago
No, you are describing several European layouts, but not those intended for English speakers The British, Irish and especially the "International" layout are close to the US layout.
- glandium 5y ago
  I'm describing the Japanese layout.

akg_67 5y ago

I just ordered the new MBP with US Keyboard from Apple Store in Japan. Default is Japanese JIS keyboard. Drop down selection for keyboard also had other localities and language options.

pcardoso 5y ago

I use the normal Portuguese keyboards but with the US intl layout. Remnants from a time where my iBook g3 keyboard was US, and the Portuguese layout cost extra. I never got used to the Mac Portuguese layout either. Shortcut issues and some symbols in wrong places. Makes computers easier to resell locally when I upgrade.