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All Anarchists are left wing. AnCaps aren't anarchists. Anarchism is inherently socialist.

aspenmayer 5y ago
Why do AnCaps present themselves as anarchist? Is it a name recognition marketing strategy? Are they themselves mistaken, or are they trying to convince others of them being anarchist? I see this a lot, where ancaps present themselves as anarchist, and believe that they are left wing, but when asked are shown to be ancaps by their answers. I don’t know what the endgame is in these conversations, for them or for me, as I’m mostly asking exploratory questions and have no agenda in asking per se.
- JasonCannon 5y ago
  Murray Rothbard did it to both high jack left wing fervor and also to convince people that it was radical to give capitalists unfettered power. It's little more than an attempt by capitalists to create a fake opposition that is actually anything but. Most AnCaps do it because they have been duped into thinking it's real Anarchism (I was a fervent AnCap from 2012-2015. The Ron Paul campaign got me in, and Rand Pauls hypocrisy convinced me to join the left wing)
  - aspenmayer 5y ago
    Late reply, but do you happen to have more info around timelines? I feel like the name Murray Rothbard is familiar but doesn’t ring a bell.
goatlover 5y ago
Why is anarchism necessarily socialist? If it’s just about the lack of hierarchal centralized power, then laissez faire capitalism can fit with decentralized communities who don’t restrict economic activity. I’m not saying it’s good, only questioning a certain definition.
- JasonCannon 5y ago
  Capitalism is itself hierarchical. You have the Capitalist who owns the Capital goods and controls the workers who provide the labour in order to turn a profit all of which is exploited by the capitalist for the capitalist gains. Markets are accepted in Anarchism (and socialism) but Capitalism is not.
- jessaustin 5y ago
  This anarchist is very supportive of non-authoritarian voluntary socialism. I hope that my support and those of many others will eventually bring it into existence. I value that workers be free, more than that they be organized. In many cases the former will depend somewhat on the latter, but that is contingent not essential.
nyx_land 5y ago
I agree with you but I'm also not really interested in getting into what would undoubtedly be a fruitless tangential debate about anarchism on the orange site, so I just phrased the comment in a way to skirt that potential discussion

Why do AnCaps present themselves as anarchist? Is it a name recognition marketing strategy? Are they themselves mistaken, or are they trying to convince others of them being anarchist? I see this a lot, where ancaps present themselves as anarchist, and believe that they are left wing, but when asked are shown to be ancaps by their answers. I don’t know what the endgame is in these conversations, for them or for me, as I’m mostly asking exploratory questions and have no agenda in asking per se.

JasonCannon 5y ago
Murray Rothbard did it to both high jack left wing fervor and also to convince people that it was radical to give capitalists unfettered power. It's little more than an attempt by capitalists to create a fake opposition that is actually anything but. Most AnCaps do it because they have been duped into thinking it's real Anarchism (I was a fervent AnCap from 2012-2015. The Ron Paul campaign got me in, and Rand Pauls hypocrisy convinced me to join the left wing)
- aspenmayer 5y ago
  Late reply, but do you happen to have more info around timelines? I feel like the name Murray Rothbard is familiar but doesn’t ring a bell.

goatlover 5y ago

Why is anarchism necessarily socialist? If it’s just about the lack of hierarchal centralized power, then laissez faire capitalism can fit with decentralized communities who don’t restrict economic activity. I’m not saying it’s good, only questioning a certain definition.

JasonCannon 5y ago
Capitalism is itself hierarchical. You have the Capitalist who owns the Capital goods and controls the workers who provide the labour in order to turn a profit all of which is exploited by the capitalist for the capitalist gains. Markets are accepted in Anarchism (and socialism) but Capitalism is not.
jessaustin 5y ago
This anarchist is very supportive of non-authoritarian voluntary socialism. I hope that my support and those of many others will eventually bring it into existence. I value that workers be free, more than that they be organized. In many cases the former will depend somewhat on the latter, but that is contingent not essential.

nyx_land 5y ago

I agree with you but I'm also not really interested in getting into what would undoubtedly be a fruitless tangential debate about anarchism on the orange site, so I just phrased the comment in a way to skirt that potential discussion